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necroforest | 1 year ago

yeah, and as far as I'm aware there isn't even a definition of "civilization" or "intelligence" that doesn't boil down to "sufficiently like me".

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empath75|1 year ago

I'm with you on intelligence, but the hallmark of civilization is right in the etymology -- the existence of cities.

krisoft|1 year ago

> hallmark of civilization is right in the etymology -- the existence of cities.

That is not really the etymology of "civilisation" though. City and civilisation share etymological roots, but city is not the etymological origin of the world civilisation.

And of course then we just ask the question: what are cities? Do gopher, or prairie dog colonies count? (or are those just towns? :)) How about ant colonies or bee hives?

Clearly all of the above share some similarities with some human settlements. They also have important differences of course. So if we want to decide if there are other "civilisations" on Earth parallel with us, we have to be more precise with our definitions.

AnimalMuppet|1 year ago

Well, all right, do ants form cities? Yes, they do, at least of a kind.

You could even argue that lichen is a city, inhabited by multiple species.

I mean, I'm not sure I'd go so far as to argue than either of those really are a civilization. But if "city" is your sole criterion...