[jordanthoms]

Oh, I agree on this. People were never going to accept, nor IMO should they have, a massive reduction in their living standards. New technology is the way to make people's lives better while also reducing global warming.

I just got back from a off-grid island here in New Zealand - 20 years ago, generators were everywhere and as soon as it got dark you'd hear nothing but the buzzing of running them all around you. Now there is solar everywhere and it's completely silent.

[matteoraso]

>Oh, I agree on this. People were never going to accept, nor IMO should they have, a massive reduction in their living standards.

I don't even think a massive reduction is necessary, though. Just stop driving, and your carbon footprint shrinks massively. I bike everywhere, and I don't consider it a sacrifice at all. Obviously, there still needs to be commensurate increases in funding for public transit to match the decrease in driving, but most people would still save money by not having to buy gas anymore. Really, I think that living an eco-friendly life would mean improving life, not worsening it.

[Retric]

You not driving requires other people to move everything you need very close to yourself. It doesn’t work for people farming corn/rice etc because that inherently requires lots of land which means everything can’t be close to them.

[mmooss]

> New technology is the way to make people's lives better while also reducing global warming.

It's not working, so it's fairy tale. Is there evidence that it's really an effective plan to save lives and money caused by climate change?

> People were never going to accept, nor IMO should they have, a massive reduction in their living standards.

The first is just a claim - people accept hardship all the time for one purpose or another (such as wars). Also, what is so sacrosanct about their living standards?

Also, the liability of climate change is already on the balance sheet - and the massive reduction is coming, due to climate change. Just think of all the dead people, all the people who lose their property, all the poverty.

It's like saying, 'I won't suffer a massive reduction in my spending in order to pay my mortgage.' You already have the liability; that sentence doesn't mean anything.

The question is, given that reality, what will you do? Make up fairy tales about fairy godparents giving you magic wands to solve you problem?

[kortilla]

You mean batteries, right? Because Hawaii is off grid and has a ton of solar but at night has to switch to fossil generators.