[exar0815]

I would love to buy one of the Maruti Suzuki Jimnys. It's been sold in Europe, but you can't get one in Europe anymore because its not complying with arbitrary eco-guidelines (Which somehow a G-Wagon, a Defender or a Land Cruiser are). Prices for 50K KM Used Cars are nearly double the price of new ones. Since also LADA isn't on the European market anymore, you can't get a small off-road capable vehicle anymore. Okay, there are no dedicated off-road vehicles anymore, only luxury SUVs that no one can afford and no one would take off road.

[Propelloni]

I guess it is because of EU fleet-wide CO2 averages. From next year on fleets must be below 93 g of CO2 per kilometer or the manufacturer is fined.

Suzuki has a very small fleet without any real low-emission cars, thus struggles to get below this new average. Combine this with the EU Jimny's four-cyclinder 1.5 l engine terrible gas mileage and it is easy to see why Suzuki is pulling this car (and many others) from the EU market.

That's why critics say that the fleet-wide CO2 average regulation favors manufacturer with large fleets. Since actual sales number do not factor into the equation low or no emission vehicles average out the wasteful SUVs and other big cars on a fleet average on paper only.

I'm not completely against fleet-wide averages, but I would like to see a competition. The fleet with the lowest average CO2 emission per kg sets the lower bound for a given year and all others are fined. This would cause a very fast scramble (just to catch up with Tesla, Jaguar, and Honda) and level the playing field for smaller manufacturers.

[Jasp3r]

It got canned because it doesn't meet the new Vehicle General Safety Regulation laws from the EU. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_...

[jojobas]

The engine is beside the point, it's the square unaerodynamic shape that's penalized.

This averaging doesn't make any sense, they allow a G600 (13l/100km) while disallowing the 7l/100km Jimny.

[Propelloni]

It appears volume is somewhat accounted for: https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/analysis/indicators/co2-perform...

But only in the sense that manufacturers are pooled together to reach a certain volume and very small manufacturers are basically excluded from the regulation.

[concordDance]

> I'm not completely against fleet-wide averages, but I would like to see a competition.

They seem absurdly silly. Just put a tax for each car of $$$ per g of CO2 per km. Then you're properly targetting the thing you care about rather than a lossy proxy. Or even better, increase tax on fossil fuels!

[speerer]

I just want to interject that "50K KM" was fun to parse out. I like the way two conventions collided here. 50Mm would have been correct, but confusing.50MM more so.

[Hendrikto]

Are you American? As a European, I did not even think twice about this.

Kilometers (km) is how we measure distance. 1000 km = 1k km, not 1Mm (nobody ever uses that), so it follows that 50000 km = 50k km.

[HPsquared]

To be fair, 'kk' is often used as an abbreviation for million in some countries.

[karolist]

Eco guidelines apply to manufacturer's fleet sales as a whole, meaning a larger manufacturer which makes EVs and eco friendly ICE variants has the "budget" to offer models that are not eco friendly, such as your examples. Suzuki doesn't have offers on the market that would offset the Jimny's pollution so they can't sell it anymore.

[n-i-m-a]

Fiat Panda 4x4 isn't a bad off-road option.

[alexey-salmin]

Jimny is in a completely different league than Panda 4x4, not even remotely close. Ladder-frame chassis, no center differential, beam axles, double-range gearbox — none of that typically applies to SUVs (especially cheap ones)

[namdnay]

I don't believe it's being built anymore - the target audience go for Dusters

[dav43]

I would love one of these too. However, being in Singapore I was not in position to drop 152k (SGD) or 113k (USD)[0] on one.

[0] https://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_listing.php?MOD=S...

[medoc]

There is the Dacia Duster if your off-road needs are not really hardcore.

[alias_neo]

Since we're on safety ratings; the Duster gets a 3/5 from Euro NCAP.

Many of Dacia's newer models get 1/5, some 2/5, and only the Sandero gets 4/5, their highest score (in this market).

In the UK, a Duster starts at £20k for the base model , while something equivalent with a 5 star rating like a Nissan Qashqai or Kia Sportage starts at £30k.

[FooBarBizBazz]

> there are no dedicated off-road vehicles anymore, only luxury SUVs that no one can afford and no one would take off road.

I saw a classic Willys MB -- an original Jeep -- the other day, and it really brought home to me how far modern "SUV"s have strayed from their roots. It was shockingly small, and open, and, yes, dangerous for modern roads, but also fun-looking. It would be at home next to a tuk-tuk.

[potato3732842]

>Which somehow a G-Wagon, a Defender or a Land Cruiser are

Makes sense in a sort of perverse way when you think about who buys what and who votes for what.

[tecleandor]

They sold for a while the "commercial vehicle version" (Jimny Pro) that removed the two seats in the back. There is a "Jimny Horizon" on a limited edition only sold in Germany and quite expensive.

Until the arrival of the rumored hybrid or electric versions, there isn't anything like that :(

[merpkz]

But Suzuki Jimny is still being sold in Europe. Sure it's a bit pricy, but so are all cars these days

[gorbypark]

I believe that the Jimny is only sold as a "commercial" vehicle now, which in most EU countries precludes you from actually buying one unless you are a company (probably being sold to farmers and etc). At least, this is the case in Spain. I think it's to dodge some sort of emissions regulations, I guess commercial vehicles are at a lower standard.

[wodenokoto]

You're not getting a Jimny for 8k USD and you are not getting a 5-star crash test rating with one either. But it is cute AF!

It is for sale and also available for private leasing in Denmark. So not dropped in all of Europe.

[runeks]

> [...] its not complying with arbitrary eco-guidelines [...]

Anyone know what these are?

[gregoriol]

"arbitrary" means the poster doesn't know what there is actually, but wants to blame EU anyway