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davedunkin | 1 year ago

How can I get my Nissan Leaf to read this paper? Its range has dropped to 50% of new and a refurbished replacement pack cost 150% the value of the car, which is in otherwise excellent condition. It has only 70k miles.

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hedora|1 year ago

Leafs don’t have active battery management. As far as I know, they’re basically the only widely available EV in the US with this problem.

Just replace the car, as much as that sucks.

rasz|1 year ago

Apparently Honda IMA (NiMH) 1 and 2nd gen not only lacks active thermal management, it also doesnt have any BALANCE management!?!?!

2006-2011 Honda Civic IMA battery repair WITHOUT buying new cells https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGfQchiLtG8

Its almost like Japanese do it on purpose to push BS Hydrogen.

bdangubic|1 year ago

what is fascinating about your comment to me is thag the value of your car has dropped precisely because people fear battery issues. my friend had a 2015 Tesla S in pristine condition, just a ridiculous car. replaced the battery so now we have 50k miles new battery like-new Tesla S that he could not sell for more than $30k. wild stuff…

even though most people don’t do it, on more expensive cars it actually makes serious financial sense to replace the battery but on cheaper cars it does not!

aprilthird2021|1 year ago

Your friend's Tesla did not drop in resale value because of the battery. If anything a new battery would make those who fear battery degradation more willing to buy this used car.

It dropped because Teslas in general have a high maintenance cost associated and a high insurance cost (because insurers also see it as costly to maintain). High maintenance cost tends to sink a car's resale value.

I know the car does not need oil changes or have the possibility of various failure modes an ICE car has, but when it does have an issue, like a dent or a scrape, etc. the cost to repair is much higher.

pcdoodle|1 year ago

Since the Leaf has a smaller battery, it get's more wear and tear per trip.

Astronaut3315|1 year ago

It also lacks active thermal management. That's more or less a requirement for long battery life.

BonoboIO|1 year ago

I think this is the answer. That is also a problem for hybrid powers vehicles, the battery is small and it gets charged and discharged 0-100 / 100-0 very often, if you use the hybrid as intended.

Some manufacturers limit this, but in a few years we will see a lot of hybrids that have batteries that barely work and will not deliver the expected ev only distance by a lot.

dzhiurgis|1 year ago

Nissan probably did more damage to EV image than good. Even then it's NZs most popular used EV.

verisimi|1 year ago

> a refurbished replacement pack cost 150% the value of the car

When I researched evs, I couldn't make the economics make sense. 7 years for a car lifetime seems outrageous.

Tagbert|1 year ago

Where do you get 7 years? That is not true of most EV. Even the worst ones, like the early Leafs did better than that.

vel0city|1 year ago

The economics of that seems solid to me. If the battery is bad in year 7 it's replaced under warranty.