[olabyne]

Come on, it's time to ditch this "vision alone" thing for self-driving cars. A computer will never be safe with vision only. Things like reflection and false positives will always wreck the statistics of even the perfect AI, there is no way around it. And I'm talking about good weather conditions.

The numbers show it, the few that Tesla releases about FSD are not up to the level with Google. If it was good, Tesla would be transparent with their results.

[TOMDM]

I think vision some will likely eventually be sufficient for full self driving, but by the time it is vision and LIDAR will be cheap and ubiquitous and downgrading to vision alone will be seen as a cost cutting measure that unnecessarily degrades safety compared to systems with LIDAR as well.

[ArtTimeInvestor]

Then how do humans do it?

[olabyne]

Human have excellent 3d vision, even with one eye. Some ability that only a vision-lidar fusion would match, not vision only. Human vision isn't just a flat image like a camera render. Distance from an object is not only estimated from using a stereo camera (2 eyes), it is made from constant movemnt from the head, and the ability to rotate the orbit on two axis.

Vision might be viable in an unknown future (which tesla is very good at seliing), but right now it is very dumb to forbid yourself extra data.

[buildbot]

By being the greatest general intelligences we know of? Even then, it’s still the most lethal thing most people do.

If we get a human level AGI with vision as high dynamic range as ours then maybe we can match human driving performance.

Seems easier to use radar and lidar at that point!

[MrHamburger]

How birds fly? Well definitely not like planes.

Sometimes it is easier, far simpler and even superior not to mimic nature. Consider if it is even possible to have supersonic flight by mimicking flapping of wings.

[grecy]

They don’t do it well. 100 people will be killed TODAY on roads in the US. (And everyday)

[Zigurd]

Humans do it badly. Humans do it by killing 50,000 other humans per year in the us alone. A million worldwide.

[codedokode]

Their hardware has more memory, compute capability and throughput.