[bearincar]

if you look at lions two lions fight the one that wins gets to keep the pride while the other wanders even though there are enough mates for both thats a counter example to the chimps

for a more human centric take im homeless right now having a computer or moving a certain way makes you a target like you said but there's no part of me that wants to go kill elon because he is rich but i've seen rich kids that used to vacation in europe talking about abolishing class etc who would who themselves are borderline abusive to enforce their ideology so idk

life is like this incredibly complex multivariate system that optimizes itself and much more complex than anything humans have ever built and trying to make generalizations will always come up short no matter which side

i'll probably die homeless or maybe survive but idk in the grand scheme of things billions have died and lived in so many different ways it doesnt matter

so in short we dont know shit thank you for coming to my ted talk lmao

[zer8k]

> if you look at lions two lions fight the one that wins gets to keep the pride while the other wanders even though there are enough mates for both thats a counter example to the chimps

This isn't a counter-example because chimps possess higher order thinking. Chimps have a distinct sense of fairness that is exhibited consistently even when engaged with their human counterparts.

It's the same for us. If laws didn't protect the haves from the have-nots nature would correct itself when the haves reach a certain level of inequality. When law and order breaks down it's very obvious this is nature. Try hoarding canned food in a food crisis. You'll very quickly find yourself in very real danger. Law, as it turns out, is a very unnatural thing.

The so-called "incel crisis" is a variation of this. It's only a crisis insofar as nature cannot correct itself. The 10%, approximately, of men that get the majority of the women on these apps face no real danger from the have-nots (coincidentally this "incel crisis" has prefaced major social upheaval since time immemorial).

The absurd pay difference between executives and the actual do-ers is yet another example.

At the end of the day the systems are put in place by "leaders" to subvert the hierarchy of needs. Nature can never correct itself, so we are doomed to simply suffer. Nature is brutal not because it wants to be but because it has to be. The only natural order is utilitarianism.

[FrustratedMonky]

"if you look at lions two lions fight the one that wins gets to keep the pride while the other wanders even though there are enough mates for both thats a counter example to the chimps"

This exactly proves the point. Lions are 'rich' because they have a 'pride' of women, which is their riches.

Every few years, they are overrun and killed. The new chiefs kill all of the cubs of the old elites. As soon as there is any accumulation of 'wealth', the new elites become targets. They only survive a year or two.

None are allowed to 'accumulate' wealth, because they are killed and their children are killed.