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Major leap for nuclear clock paves way for ultraprecise timekeeping

12 points| abbeyj | 1 year ago |nist.gov

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lisper|1 year ago

This article leaves so many unanswered questions, starting with the elephant in the room: how accurate is it? (Or how accurate do they expect it to be?)

I found the answer here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clock#Accuracy

It turns out that the current state of the art is 10^-15. Which immediately raises the second question: how do they measure this? 10^-15 is an error of roughly a nanosecond a year. GR causes that kind of time difference between your head and your feet when you stand up.

https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2010/09/nist-clock-exp...

I haven't done the math, but I'm guessing that just standing next to a 10^-15 clock would have noticeable effects due to the effects of your gravitational field.

Also: why does thorium-229 in particular have such a low-energy atomic transition? That seems kind of random.

Mind-boggling stuff.

fsh|1 year ago

A decent frequency counter can resolve a frequency difference of 1E-15 in a few minutes of averaging. Modern GPS-based frequency comparisons (dual-band, post-processed using precise point positioning) are also accurate to the 1E-15 level with around one day of averaging. Note that these counters operate with radio frequencies. The best atomic clocks use optical transitions and are accurate to around 1E-18. In this case, one gains around 6 orders of magnitude in frequency resolution by translating the laser frequency into a radio frequency using an optical frequency comb. The accuracy of the relative frequency measurement is not limiting at all.

The gravitational redshift amounts to around 1E-16 (not 1E-15) when moving the earth one meter closer or further from your clock. You standing next to it is going to have absolutely no effect.

sandworm101|1 year ago

An increase, but those effects are noticed with traditional atomic clocks too. The simple act of moving them between biuldings results in detectable GR effects: time dilation from acceleration as someone pushes the cart. A more accurate measure of such things could yield a functional GR-based accelerometer/gyroscope.

topspin|1 year ago

> Mind-boggling stuff.

This and the recent advances in clock precision. In the last few years cryogenic sapphire clocks have achieved short-term stability on the order of 10s of attoseconds.

jas39|1 year ago

This should be excellent for prospecting.