[glaugh]

Thank you (and teMPOral) for these comments, this sounds potentially useful to me.

I hate to ask this, but I'm struggling to find any thorough posts or articles or papers about this, do you have any links you could point me toward?

[jacobr1]

Here is a short example that came up for me last week.

I had a set of documents I wanted to classify according a taxonomy that is well known (so it is exists in the training data of all the major llm models I tested)

If I have prompt like, `You are an expert classification system. Using the Classification Approach Foo, consider the following and output the category in JSON format, such as {"class":"bar"} `

This works ok, but it works much better if I tell it to output {"class":"bar", "reason": "baz"} and improved with some other approaches like adding "related_class" or "parent_category" which would otherwise be redundant.

Also including some few-shot examples helped, but the biggest benefit came from the "reason" field. Trying justification or other synonyms seems to produce the same output.

I suspect this is something similar to CoT.

[potatoman22]

Have you tested moving the "reason" field before the "class" field? That may encourage better CoT instead of having the model justify the class after it already picked it. Anecdotally, I saw a 5% boost in performance from a NER system from having the model output the entity's class at the end rather than the beginning.

[te_chris]

This has worked for me for sentiment classification, i had a score and a summary field and the results were much more accurate.

[andai]

Does it still work if the class field is output before the reason?

[glaugh]

Great, thank you (and hedgehog), that makes sense

[hedgehog]

Speaking only for myself these ideas are a combination of things I've seen scanning new papers and informal discussions with other people working in the area. Feel free to shoot me an e-mail though, maybe I can point you somewhere more specific.

Edit: The "verbosity sink" name is inspired by the idea from the paper below although they're not actually at all the same thing.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.17453