[minhazm]

> Hard to compare that to a level 4 company where the car can go hundreds of thousands of miles without disengagement

This is nowhere close to being true. The latest numbers I could find for 2022 are 17,060 miles per disengagement[1] for Waymo. And even then the definition is not quite clear, because these are safety disengagements from what I can tell, and not disengagements for things like getting stuck because the road is closed or something else.

[1] https://www.eetimes.com/waymo-cruise-dominate-av-testing/

[danans]

> This is nowhere close to being true. The latest numbers I could find for 2022 are 17,060 miles per disengagement[1] for Waymo

Tesla doesn't reveal it's miles/disengagement stats, but according to crowdsourced data it's 690-828 miles between critical disengagement [1], which is 2 orders of magnitude worse than the Waymo number you posted, and far below their goal of besting human drivers' abilities.

1. https://electrek.co/2024/10/24/elon-musk-just-said-some-wild...

[bushbaba]

Regardless we are probably about 10-50x the disengagement rate needed. It’s about 1 accidents every 500k miles for a human driver.