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tashoecraft | 1 year ago

The flair 58 is 600+. So it's slightly more, but from a new manufacturer and has a unique design. I expected it to be at least a $1000, so I think it's definitely price competitive. Though I'd hold off until reviews come in.

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Kirby64|1 year ago

So, the Flair 58 is their 'highest end' model and sports a 58mm portafilter... this thing is a 51mm portafilter which is basically only used on smaller portable machines. Also, it's listed on their website for $580. Not sure how you get to 600+ (unless you include tax, I guess).

A more comparable model from Flair would be either the Pro 3 ($325, all metal in the grouphead, pressure gauge, shot mirror... lots of included accessories) or the cheaper models they offer (Classic w/ pressure gauge, $230, Neo Flex, $99).

If you wanted to compare to the Cafelat Robot, that is also only $450... and is all metal, built like a tank, and has a very charming aesthetic.

smeeeeeeeeeeeee|1 year ago

I love all these machines that we're comparing to but they're fundamentally different things - they don't have a pump to fit into their BOM. So maybe:

In the category of "machines that don't froth milk", it might be the most expensive by $50.

In the category of "machines that have pressure control", it might be the cheapest by $700

In the category of "machines that have a rotary pump", it might be the cheapest by $2000.

It's sort of the curse of making something that doesn't clearly fit into a specific category.

51mm portafilters are better and some day the world will come to understand

https://youtu.be/jTAkb-dCFro?si=QQ6K9l99xqOCQl5S