[huuhee3]

Climate change has the potential to radically change weather patterns, possible causing severe disruptions to global food production. If that happens, I guarantee you the likelihood of a world war will be even higher than today.

Besides, there is no real energy shortage. Renewables and nuclear work very well for most of Europe. The only problem are the Germans who thought being dependent on gas supplied by an insane dictator is better than operating nuclear power plants.

[jajko]

Yeah, nice on paper, easy to shout all the time, and I agree. But - even if whole Europe went to caveman era, we won't make dent big enough to matter at all or change trajectory of future in any significant way. We are just little above 5% of the world, even if we pollute more than average its just a small drop in a bucket. But we are literally destroying prosperity in whole Europe, while most of the world gives significantly less fucks about this topic so we endeavor on some quixotic quest for glory where none is found.

That's the problem with well-meaning fanatics - you can't discuss consensus with them, middle ground is their ground only. Even extreme moves are never enough. So what we are seeing - people like trump who don't give a fuck about environment are winning, slowly but surely. There is no reversal in next decades, its hard to accept since I wish it to be true but it won't.

Inability of far eco left to have any sort of meaningful dialog and find middle ground is the reason why all these at glance well-meaning policies are going to backfire massively, and they already do as OP mentions. Why should we head to poverty while all developing world coast on us, steal our tech like germany's solar cells tech and we are just left behind.

I'll never vote for any green-related party despite being a massive nature and wilderness lover. Those people are literal personification of 'road to hell is paved with good intentions', IMHO a form of simpleton's eco-terrorism.

[immibis]

"The people who disagree with me are unable to have any sort of meaningful dialog" is a self report.