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We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

410 points| doener | 1 year ago |media.ccc.de | reply

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[+] praptak|1 year ago|reply
Newag, the company from the presentation is still getting fat government contracts: https://en.railmarket.com/news/rolling-stock/25459-newag-s-g...
[+] Kwpolska|1 year ago|reply
They can’t be banned from participating in public tenders without due process. Tenders tend to have the price as the most important factor in choosing the winner.
[+] nicce|1 year ago|reply
:( Feels like the money is flowing into multiple directions.
[+] ozim|1 year ago|reply
As much as I support and vouch for the guys.

Go public earlier is BS - they went public a year ago when it was clear there is political change in PL.

If they would go public in before government change it could have been tragic ( company and company ownership is tightly coupled with prev political power). If previous political power would stay in power I do not believe they would go public.

As much as they are showing in presentation work was done when previous political power was still strong - well good that they went public in the end but I do believe there still was shitload of calculations.

So if you want to go public watch out calculate best possible time. As much as guys are great don’t believe it is pure heroism - pure heroism is stupid - so they did right thing at right time.

[+] ptsneves|1 year ago|reply
Are you sure? I thought the trains were part of of Dolneslaska which means local government, not central one. As far as I know there were no voivodeship changes.

I think the lack of traction is endemic and happens regardless of current political power. This is because one of the issues they complain about was how hard was it to explain to journalists. Journalists did not get it and neither did the people. Even the Pegasus affair did not go far with the current legislature. In a more dishonest note, they should have pulled a Russian conspiracy theory on it and it suddenly would be all over the news. As it was done on home turf it just is not so serious. Just look at how the Americans do with the Chinese, there might even be nothing but it is taken seriously.

[+] lifestyleguru|1 year ago|reply
This happens in every industry heavily interconnected with politics. An individual revealing fraud or corruption is subject to regular bullying and stalking or to SLAPP when the case has gained publicity. Only now the German and American standards have arrived to Poland, long awaited.
[+] BlueTemplar|1 year ago|reply
Yeah, Eva Joly's memoirs were instructive in this... in particular that discussion with a general who told her how she was lucky to be investigating the oil business, rather than the weapons business, or she would be dead already.
[+] Uw5ssYPc|1 year ago|reply
Skilled polish hackers exposed corpo greed. Well done!
[+] trod1234|1 year ago|reply
It is actually far worse than just corporate greed. It shows an embedded vulnerability into the entire supply chain, a national security issue caused by corruption.

They should get awards and payouts for bringing this to light now rather than the lives it would cost during a world war.

If the company makes it so these trains stop functioning once they are in specific locations, what determines that location? A weak GPS radio signal (which have had issues with spoofing in the past)?

What would happen if that radio signal was maliciously crafted and broadcast towards trains with targeted payloads that engage this functionality? Harvests/food stuffs rot?

This line of thought doesn't require genius level IQ, given the plots in some of the movies today even a relative dunce could compare and come up with this. Food security has been an issue for every country for millennia.

[+] MrMcCall|1 year ago|reply
What has been kept in the shadows will be brought into the light.

Vampires fear the light of truth for good and proper reasons.

[+] grzaks|1 year ago|reply
Dragon Sector FTW. Trzymam kciuki!
[+] MrMcCall|1 year ago|reply
Not all heros wear capes. I love those guys.

"Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!" --RATM

That is, IMO, the most important album of the 20th Century.

[+] lousken|1 year ago|reply
shouldn't EU also investigate this a little?
[+] gostsamo|1 year ago|reply
The EU is not a federal government. It can investigate only if there is misuse of EU budget money or the country government is breaching it's union obligations. Otherwise, the country aligns its laws to the common european framework and then the country government is responsible for investigating when someone breaks those laws.
[+] aszantu|1 year ago|reply
I think i've seen the first part of this problem a while ago. Good stuff
[+] progbits|1 year ago|reply
There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.
[+] phantom_wizard|1 year ago|reply
This "company" is strongly connected with previous government and their prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki (company owner is his close colleague), they work more like organized crime than legal entity copying the Russians. Sometimes, but not often, they even make some assassinations and I'm afraid it may be so in this case.

There was a female deputy Magdalena Biejat, now a president candidate, who was trying to make some public inquiry but the deputies from other party prevented that.

It all works because the former ruling party organized around themselves some kind of semi-religious cult consisting of around 1/3 of nation, usually older people that oppose everything they don't understand.

[+] miki123211|1 year ago|reply
Polish person here, as far as I understand, our SLAPP protections are basically nonexistent, which is why this is allowed to happen.

In the US, a lawsuit like this would never fly.

[+] whamlastxmas|1 year ago|reply
I think there should be professional association punishment for arguments presented in court that done so knowingly in bad faith. The examples given in the mental gymnastics used to claim copyright infringement is a great example. It's blatantly false and not true, and it's presented despite knowing it will be easily countered, because the FUD it provides to the jury makes it appear like a stronger case. It's arguing to prey on the vulnerabilities of human psychology rather than doing so in good faith and trying to represent someone's rights under the law.
[+] visarga|1 year ago|reply
> they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit

One more reason copyright deserves to die.