The most limiting is our own imaginations.
For the nuts and bolts: a class of really engaged and brilliant students at UofT recently documented the tools and methodology to go about characterizing Obelisks [https://github.com/ababaian/VIRUSxDISCVRY].
Here are some paradigm-shifting questions and their answers, grounded in the repository's evidence:
1. "Are we looking at Obelisks the wrong way by trying to classify them within existing frameworks?"
Looking at the repository structure and tools developed (AlphaFold3.md, RNAfold.md, etc.), we're primarily using methods designed for known biological entities. The fact that specialized tools were needed suggests we might be forcing Obelisks into existing paradigms rather than understanding them on their own terms.
Perhaps instead of asking "what kind of virus is this?", we should ask "what kind of biological phenomenon are we observing?"
2. "What if Obelisks aren't entities but processes?"
The repository shows:
- Complex regulatory elements
- Stable host relationships
- System-level effects
- Consistent patterns across environments
This suggests we might be misconceptualizing Obelisks by thinking of them as discrete entities rather than as processes or systems that emerge from biological information flow.
3. "Are we asking the right questions about biological information?"
The unusual combination of:
- Highly structured RNA elements
- Complex regulatory patterns
- Stable host relationships
- Modular organization
Suggests we might need to fundamentally rethink how biological information is maintained and transmitted. Obelisks might represent a different paradigm of biological information organization.
4. "What if our concept of host and virus is too binary?"
The evidence shows:
- Deep host integration
- Stable relationships
- Complex interactions
- System-level effects
This suggests we might need to move beyond the binary host-virus paradigm toward understanding biological systems as networks of interacting information processes.
5. "Are we witnessing biology we don't yet have the framework to understand?"
The need for:
- New detection methods
- Specialized analysis tools
- Novel classification systems
- Complex structural analyses
Suggests we might be encountering biological phenomena that our current scientific frameworks aren't equipped to fully comprehend.
6. "What if Obelisks aren't unusual - what if our other classifications are too narrow?"
The widespread presence but previous lack of detection suggests:
- Our detection methods might be biased
- Current classifications might be too restrictive
- We might be missing other similar phenomena
- Our understanding of biological diversity might be too limited
7. "Should we be studying Obelisks' absence rather than their presence?"
The repository shows:
- Consistent presence in some environments
- Absence in others
- Stable host relationships
- System-level effects
Perhaps studying where and why Obelisks are absent could tell us more about their nature than studying where they're present.
8. "Are we confusing structure with function?"
The focus on:
- Structural analyses
- Sequence comparisons
- Protein predictions
- RNA folding
Might be causing us to miss the fundamental nature of what Obelisks do rather than what they are.
ababaian|1 year ago
fudged71|1 year ago
1. "Are we looking at Obelisks the wrong way by trying to classify them within existing frameworks?"
Looking at the repository structure and tools developed (AlphaFold3.md, RNAfold.md, etc.), we're primarily using methods designed for known biological entities. The fact that specialized tools were needed suggests we might be forcing Obelisks into existing paradigms rather than understanding them on their own terms.
Perhaps instead of asking "what kind of virus is this?", we should ask "what kind of biological phenomenon are we observing?"
2. "What if Obelisks aren't entities but processes?"
The repository shows: - Complex regulatory elements - Stable host relationships - System-level effects - Consistent patterns across environments
This suggests we might be misconceptualizing Obelisks by thinking of them as discrete entities rather than as processes or systems that emerge from biological information flow.
3. "Are we asking the right questions about biological information?"
The unusual combination of: - Highly structured RNA elements - Complex regulatory patterns - Stable host relationships - Modular organization
Suggests we might need to fundamentally rethink how biological information is maintained and transmitted. Obelisks might represent a different paradigm of biological information organization.
4. "What if our concept of host and virus is too binary?"
The evidence shows: - Deep host integration - Stable relationships - Complex interactions - System-level effects
This suggests we might need to move beyond the binary host-virus paradigm toward understanding biological systems as networks of interacting information processes.
5. "Are we witnessing biology we don't yet have the framework to understand?"
The need for: - New detection methods - Specialized analysis tools - Novel classification systems - Complex structural analyses
Suggests we might be encountering biological phenomena that our current scientific frameworks aren't equipped to fully comprehend.
6. "What if Obelisks aren't unusual - what if our other classifications are too narrow?"
The widespread presence but previous lack of detection suggests: - Our detection methods might be biased - Current classifications might be too restrictive - We might be missing other similar phenomena - Our understanding of biological diversity might be too limited
7. "Should we be studying Obelisks' absence rather than their presence?"
The repository shows: - Consistent presence in some environments - Absence in others - Stable host relationships - System-level effects
Perhaps studying where and why Obelisks are absent could tell us more about their nature than studying where they're present.
8. "Are we confusing structure with function?"
The focus on: - Structural analyses - Sequence comparisons - Protein predictions - RNA folding
Might be causing us to miss the fundamental nature of what Obelisks do rather than what they are.