After owning a Model Y for a year I have to say -- it's the best car I've ever had. Comfortable ride, the visibility with the cameras is great, amazing all-weather traction. It's freakin' fast. The voice-to-navigate works nearly 99% of the time which, given my experiences with Alexa and Siri, is quite impressive.
All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather state is probably not advised. Multi-state road trips are doable but not recommended; it's just too much of a hassle. Keep a gas car for that. And I still don't trust any driving assist more advanced than enhanced cruise control.
I have no emotional response to Musk so that doesn't color my opinion of the car.
That's going to be true for many car sales. People don't usually downgrade on cars, and there is real progress on car features over a typical period between buying cars. It'll be especially true if a brand like Tesla where most if their sales are coming from people who previously owned significantly cheaper cars.
norway was almost full EV purchases last year. cold weather issues are totally exacerbated.
also, i drove in a tesla, and the number of cameras doing weird and confusing things with bad perspectives weirded me out. i don't know why, but it just felt wrong, and too much information on the screen too. like they tried to do every technical thing just because.
and if you don't think musk is a danger, idk what to tell you. either you support him or you just don't care about human life.
The "being able to charge at home" is why I recently purchased an petrol powered Subaru.
But every online comment and guide telling people to simply install a charger in their driveway assumes a certain amount of privilege, and I feel a lot of this discussion just assumes everyone has that privilege. I'm currently living in an apartment, my underground car park has no power runs anywhere near my car. Before that I lived in a rented house, and getting permission to install anything that required drilling a single hole would have been a non starter.
On impulse a few years ago I decided to drive our Model 3 on a multi-state road trip that'd take us through Colorado, Utah, Nevada, California, up through Oregon, then back to Colorado instead of our perfectly fine ICE car. I use the car mostly for local, sub-50 mile drives, which it excels at, and never considered it as a road trippable car (less because of the powertrain and more because of lack of road trips in general).
I have zero regrets about picking the EV at the last minute, and would 100% make this choice again. I assumed, like I imagine most people do, that having to wait while charging would be a deal breaker. I quickly learned to love the wait though. It makes long road trips so much more comfortable when you take a break every 6 hours that's long enough to go for a walk or take a nap.
I could employ that strategy with an ICE car, sure, but if I compare my ICE to my EV, the differences between the two in terms of comfort, functionality, and cost of operating put the EV way out ahead of the ICE.
I'll never buy a Tesla. A decade ago I was a huge fan.
Most likely option at the moment is the Hyundai ioniq 5 N ... not only a better drivers car than anything Tesla have ever put out, but I don't have to swallow the Musk emotional tax or have his smell lingering over the purchase ...
I was just arguing with someone about this over the holidays when they could not believe I would pass up on a Tesla even if it was free.
Forget about Elon being and the company culture, there's practical reasons for me not wanting to own one of these even though I could afford one.
Living in cold Canadian province, there would be no upside to owning one of these. Just more hassle. If given one I'd sell it probably for less than the market value just so I can get a more practical hybrid or gas guzzler car.
That's not to say that there aren't other Teslas around here, but for me it just would not be worth the hassle.
As a former Tesla Model 3 owner (it got totaled from getting rear-ended) and now own a Ford Mach-E as well as a Toyota RAV-4 Prime (plugin hybrid), yeah I totally agree. Cold weather is the worst for EV cars. You have to spend so much energy keeping the batteries warm on top of spending more energy to keep the cabin comfortable.
Heck even the RAV-4 is a problem because it uses a heat pump instead of resistance heating, which means it can't heat the cabin in full EV mode when the temp is < 20F, so I force it into gas mode to stay warm on those days.
Not sure how you fix this problem, other than just continuing to improve energy density in batteries to where you don't think about it anymore.
There's no reason you should be getting downvoted for this, and I say this as someone who loves their Model 3. You're stating a fact about yourself that is, at the very least, loosely relevant to the posted article.
It's like a bunch of people who are a fan of the color yellow got mad when you said you're not a fan of yellow.
dang|1 year ago
pton_xd|1 year ago
All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather state is probably not advised. Multi-state road trips are doable but not recommended; it's just too much of a hassle. Keep a gas car for that. And I still don't trust any driving assist more advanced than enhanced cruise control.
I have no emotional response to Musk so that doesn't color my opinion of the car.
ahahahahah|1 year ago
That's going to be true for many car sales. People don't usually downgrade on cars, and there is real progress on car features over a typical period between buying cars. It'll be especially true if a brand like Tesla where most if their sales are coming from people who previously owned significantly cheaper cars.
kanbara|1 year ago
also, i drove in a tesla, and the number of cameras doing weird and confusing things with bad perspectives weirded me out. i don't know why, but it just felt wrong, and too much information on the screen too. like they tried to do every technical thing just because.
and if you don't think musk is a danger, idk what to tell you. either you support him or you just don't care about human life.
technion|1 year ago
But every online comment and guide telling people to simply install a charger in their driveway assumes a certain amount of privilege, and I feel a lot of this discussion just assumes everyone has that privilege. I'm currently living in an apartment, my underground car park has no power runs anywhere near my car. Before that I lived in a rented house, and getting permission to install anything that required drilling a single hole would have been a non starter.
buffington|1 year ago
I have zero regrets about picking the EV at the last minute, and would 100% make this choice again. I assumed, like I imagine most people do, that having to wait while charging would be a deal breaker. I quickly learned to love the wait though. It makes long road trips so much more comfortable when you take a break every 6 hours that's long enough to go for a walk or take a nap.
I could employ that strategy with an ICE car, sure, but if I compare my ICE to my EV, the differences between the two in terms of comfort, functionality, and cost of operating put the EV way out ahead of the ICE.
lossolo|1 year ago
What other cars you had before?
LightBug1|1 year ago
I'll never buy a Tesla. A decade ago I was a huge fan.
Most likely option at the moment is the Hyundai ioniq 5 N ... not only a better drivers car than anything Tesla have ever put out, but I don't have to swallow the Musk emotional tax or have his smell lingering over the purchase ...
I'll ... never ... buy ... a ... Tesla.
The brand is over.
racl101|1 year ago
Forget about Elon being and the company culture, there's practical reasons for me not wanting to own one of these even though I could afford one.
Living in cold Canadian province, there would be no upside to owning one of these. Just more hassle. If given one I'd sell it probably for less than the market value just so I can get a more practical hybrid or gas guzzler car.
That's not to say that there aren't other Teslas around here, but for me it just would not be worth the hassle.
jameskilton|1 year ago
Heck even the RAV-4 is a problem because it uses a heat pump instead of resistance heating, which means it can't heat the cabin in full EV mode when the temp is < 20F, so I force it into gas mode to stay warm on those days.
Not sure how you fix this problem, other than just continuing to improve energy density in batteries to where you don't think about it anymore.
buffington|1 year ago
It's like a bunch of people who are a fan of the color yellow got mad when you said you're not a fan of yellow.
ethagknight|1 year ago
Each has taken, uh, far more aggressive actions in their respective pasts.
kanbara|1 year ago
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