[nyolfen]

> In the US police and prisons are directly derived from slave patrols. This is history and factual.

and human rights are derived from feudal rights. okay, and? is this just supposed to make you feel bad with scary words?

> Recidivism rates for people incarcerated more than 6 months is something like 66% for one year post release.

this sounds very much like you are mixing up cause and effect. is it surprising that someone who commits more serious crimes is more likely to commit further crimes?

[defrost]

"Crims are going to crim again" is likely the shallowest take possible in such discussions.

What's relevant here is comparing different prison systems wrt Recidivism.

eg: Nine out of 10 South African criminals reoffend, while in Finland it’s 1 in 3. This is why

https://theconversation.com/nine-out-of-10-south-african-cri...

[DAGdug]

Did you click through to glance through the paper linked? I was hoping the author would posit a causal model, adjust for a few different factors, and have something robust. Nope, nothing - just a wall of text even quoting Derrida. Empiricism is slowly dying, in large part due to truth seeking becoming subservient to confirmation bias.

[whoitwas]

I'm sorry if words scare you. The prison system is a direct continuation of slavery in the US. I'm not sure what you're analogy attempts to prove.

My point on recidivism is that US jails focus on punitive rather than rehabilitative justice.

[nyolfen]

there is no such thing as rehabilitative justice, which is just secularized christian theology of redemption; there is only keeping dangerous or destructive people away from the rest of us. if they manage to reform themselves all the better, but the stats don't indicate any persistent institutional success despite decades of effort and rotating fashions. the thing that actually brought crime down after its tremendous mid-century spike is mass incarceration, ie taking the pareto tail out of circulation