That seems like a really bad idea. Many of America’s innovations were built on the backs of immigrants, in virtually all industries. There are certainly problems with H1B abuse, but that calls for tweaks to the program, not elimination of it.
> India exports it's poverty to the world
This is just misguided and racist. First off, India isn’t exporting poverty. The people who come to the US on this program are almost all middle class and well educated. Second, even if it were exporting its poverty, so what - it has benefit to us by making American companies stronger.
> No birthright citizenship for Indian H1B's.
I think birthright citizenship is a flawed concept in general so I agree, but not in a way that specifically applies to H1B and definitely not in a way that singles out one ethnicity. Doing so would be discriminatory and not in line with America’s values. And obviously, once they become citizens, they should have every right other citizens have, including citizenship for children.
> Let them go back and make India Great Again.
Are you a Native American? If not, why aren’t you extending this logic to yourself?
> American Graduates First
Guess who is teaching those graduates math, science, and engineering in the most prestigious colleges? Often, it is an Indian professor or grad student.
> Until there is full employment for our young people, No H1B's.
Not all American graduates are qualified. Holding a degree means nothing. Their actual talent depends on a number of other factors. If you were to ban H1Bs, you would see a sharp decline in competitiveness for American companies. They would almost certainly just choose to expand their international offices in response. If they weren’t allowed to do that, they’d just lose in the global competition for tech talent, and fall behind.
I think that the post that you're responding to is a massive troll, and you generally make good points in refuting them, but I have one nitpick:
>> India exports it's poverty to the world
> This is just misguided and racist.
This is misguided, but not racist. It's a common fallacy to assume that "Country x does y" means that you're making a statement about the dominant ethnic group in country x. It's just not true - a country is not the same as any of the races in it.
("No birthright citizenship for Indian H1B's" on the other hand - yeah I agree, that's just racist)
Separately, reading your points in the rest of your comment, it seems like your point is "it's ok if people from another country come in and depress the standard of living if it makes the US better" (e.g. "Second, even if it were exporting its poverty, so what - it has benefit to us by making American companies stronger.") I don't think that the majority of Americans would be happy with that trade, nor is it appropriate for a government ostensibly run in the interests of the people to make that trade.
(if the government was run in the interests of the companies, then that'd be a different story, and it'd be entirely within their charter to do so)
I can pretty confidently project that the majority of Americans would rather America be slightly weaker in the global economy in exchange for a significant improvement in quality of life than the other way around.
blackeyeblitzar|1 year ago
> India exports it's poverty to the world
This is just misguided and racist. First off, India isn’t exporting poverty. The people who come to the US on this program are almost all middle class and well educated. Second, even if it were exporting its poverty, so what - it has benefit to us by making American companies stronger.
> No birthright citizenship for Indian H1B's.
I think birthright citizenship is a flawed concept in general so I agree, but not in a way that specifically applies to H1B and definitely not in a way that singles out one ethnicity. Doing so would be discriminatory and not in line with America’s values. And obviously, once they become citizens, they should have every right other citizens have, including citizenship for children.
> Let them go back and make India Great Again.
Are you a Native American? If not, why aren’t you extending this logic to yourself?
> American Graduates First
Guess who is teaching those graduates math, science, and engineering in the most prestigious colleges? Often, it is an Indian professor or grad student.
> Until there is full employment for our young people, No H1B's.
Not all American graduates are qualified. Holding a degree means nothing. Their actual talent depends on a number of other factors. If you were to ban H1Bs, you would see a sharp decline in competitiveness for American companies. They would almost certainly just choose to expand their international offices in response. If they weren’t allowed to do that, they’d just lose in the global competition for tech talent, and fall behind.
throw10920|1 year ago
>> India exports it's poverty to the world
> This is just misguided and racist.
This is misguided, but not racist. It's a common fallacy to assume that "Country x does y" means that you're making a statement about the dominant ethnic group in country x. It's just not true - a country is not the same as any of the races in it.
("No birthright citizenship for Indian H1B's" on the other hand - yeah I agree, that's just racist)
Separately, reading your points in the rest of your comment, it seems like your point is "it's ok if people from another country come in and depress the standard of living if it makes the US better" (e.g. "Second, even if it were exporting its poverty, so what - it has benefit to us by making American companies stronger.") I don't think that the majority of Americans would be happy with that trade, nor is it appropriate for a government ostensibly run in the interests of the people to make that trade.
(if the government was run in the interests of the companies, then that'd be a different story, and it'd be entirely within their charter to do so)
I can pretty confidently project that the majority of Americans would rather America be slightly weaker in the global economy in exchange for a significant improvement in quality of life than the other way around.