[sigsev_251]

I think the documentation is outdated given that C11 atomics [1] and threads [2] are available for more than a year now. Same goes for pretty much everything MSVC frontend related stuff (I've yet to try which C++23 features are supported at the moment, but they've secretly added support for C23 features like typeof and attributes, as well as GNU Statement Expressions).

[1]: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/cppblog/c11-atomics-in-visual...

[2]: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/cppblog/c11-threads-in-visual...

[pjmlp]

Outdated documentation is pretty normal unfortunely, even .NET suffers from that nowadays.

Not as bad as Apple nowadays though, quite far from Inside Inside Macintosh days.

Glad to know about C23 features, as they went silent on C23 plans.

C++23 looks quite bad for anything that requires frontend changes, there are even developer connection issues for us to tell what to prioritise, as if it wasn't logically all of it. There is another one for C++26 as well.

Personally, I think that with the improvements on low level coding and AOT compilation from managed languages, we are reaching local optimum, where C and C++ are good enough for the low level glue, C23 and C++23 (eventually C++26 due to static reflection) might be the last ones that are actually relevant.

Similar to how although COBOL and Fortran standards keep being updated, how many ISO 2023 revision compliant compilers are you going to find out for portable code?

[sigsev_251]

> Outdated documentation is pretty normal unfortunely, even .NET suffers from that nowadays.

That's really unfortunate.

> Not as bad as Apple nowadays though, quite far from Inside Inside Macintosh days.

Funny story, I know a guy who wanted to write a personal Swift project for an esoteric spreadsheet format and the quality of the documentation of SwiftUI made him ragequit. After that, he switched to kotlin native and gtk and he is much happier.

> Personally, I think that with the improvements on low level coding and AOT compilation from managed languages, we are reaching local optimum, where C and C++ are good enough for the low level glue, C23 and C++23 (eventually C++26 due to static reflection) might be the last ones that are actually relevant.

I agree on the managed language thing but, I mean, the fact that other languages are getting more capable with low level resources does not mean that improvements in C/C++ are a bad idea and will not be used. In fact, I think that features like the transcoding functions in <stdmchar.h> in C2y (ironically those are relevant to the current HN post) are useful to those languages too! So even if C, C++ and fortran are just used for numerical kernels, emulators, hardware stuff, glue code and other "dirty" code advancements made to them are not going wasted.