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metacritic12 | 1 year ago
Previously, we had statement "the weak force is short range". In order to explain it, we had to invent a new concept "stiffness" that is treated as a primitive and not explained in terms of other easy primitives, and then we get to "accurately" say that the weak force is short due to stiffness.
I grant the OP that stiffness might be hard to explain, but then why not just say "the weak force is short range -- and just take that as an axiom for now".
ajkjk|1 year ago
It seems to me like the right criteria for a good model is:
* there are as few non-intuitable inferences as possible, so most conclusions can be derived from a small amount of knowledge
* and of course, inferences you make with your intuition should not be wrong
(I suppose any time you approximate a model with a simpler one---such as the underlying math with a series of atomic notions, as in this case---you have done some simplification and now you might make wrong inferences. But a lot of the wrongness can be "controlled" with just a few more atoms. For instance "you can divide two numbers, unless the denominator is zero" is such a control: division is intuitive, but there's one special case, so you memorize the general rule plus the case, and that's still a good foundation for doing inference with)
BrandoElFollito|1 year ago
lilyball|1 year ago
Also, the math section demonstrated how stiffness produces both the short-range effect and the massive particles, so instead of just handwaving "massive particles is somehow related to the short range" the stiffness provides a clear answer as to why that's the case.
unknown|1 year ago
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drdec|1 year ago
exmadscientist|1 year ago
You might also ask where that term comes from. It really is "axiomatic": there is no a priori explanation for why anything like that should be in the equations. They just work out if you do that. Finding a good explanation for why things have to be this way and not that way is nothing more and nothing less than the search for the infamous Theory of Everything.
UniverseHacker|1 year ago
When I was a physics undergrad, most of my professors were fans of the "shut up and calculate" interpretation of quantum mechanics.
Ultimately, this is probably just a symptom of still not having yet discovered some really important stuff.
scotty79|1 year ago
If you need to assume some axiomatic concept it's better to assume one that can used to derive a lot of what is observed.
cellular|1 year ago
But electric charges cancel out each other over big regions, while gravity never cancels.
seanhunter|1 year ago
So say you have a spring if you compress it, it pushes because it wants to go back to its natural length and likewise if you stretch it there is a restorative force in the opposite direction. The constant of proportionality of that force (in N/m) is the stiffness of the spring, and the force from the spring[1] is something like F=-k x with x being the position measured from the natural length of the spring and k being the stiffness. So not knowing anything about electromagnetism I read this and thought about fields having a similar property like when you have two magnets and you push like poles towards each other, the magnetic field creates a restorative force pushing them apart and the constant is presumably the stiffness of the field.
But obviously I’m missing a piece somewhere because as you can see the force of a spring is proportional to distance whereas here we’re talking about something which is short-range compared to gravity and gravity falls off with the square of distance so it has to decay more rapidly than that.
Edit to add: in TFA, the author defines stiffness as follows:
So this coincides with the idea of restorative force of something like a spring and is presumably why he's using this word.[1] Hooke’s law says the force is actually H = k (x-l)ŝ where k is stiffness, l is the natural length of the spring and ŝ is a unit vector that points from the end you’re talking about back towards the centre of the spring.
neutronicus|1 year ago
Electrons are tiny and nuclei are huge, so you have a bunch of mobile charge carriers which cost energy to displace to an equilibrium position away from their immobile "homes". A collection of test charges moving "slowly" through the plasma (not inducing B field, electrons have time to reach equilibrium positions) will produce exponentially decaying potentials like in the article. If you want to read more, this concept is called "Debye Screening"
Anyway, this might be a more helpful approach than trying to imagine a spring - a "stiff" field equation is an equation for a field in a medium that polarizes to oppose it, and you can think of space as polarizing to oppose the existence of a Z Boson in a way that it doesn't polarize to oppose the existence of a photon.
pishpash|1 year ago