[stonesthrowaway]

> but stating facts of the individual events can’t actually be copyrighted, regardless of what the nfl and olympics say in their disclaimer.

That's interesting. Does that mean someone could go to an NFL game and broadcast the play by play of the game? Stating facts like: "It's 4th and goal, mahomes drops back and passed to kelce for a touchdown". You could legally broadcast that?

[mattclarkdotnet]

Legally? As in do you have a right to? No. You accepted terms and conditions when you bought a ticket, and they will prohibit you from broadcasting. So it’s a breach of contract if you do that.

I do wonder what the intersection of that with viewing rights is. You can probably report what you saw on screen in real time because that’s happening in your home. But who really knows…

[Y_Y]

But that's just a shitty contract of adhesion. There is no "meeting of the minds", terms are not negotiated. The enforcability depends more on the relative appetites of the contracting parties.

The copyright situation is distinct, and may fall under "hot news", but isn't affected by a clickwrap on the site that sold you the ticket.

(See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_News_Service_v._... )

[dehrmann]

There are tall buildings near some baseball fields that can see onto the field, and some even have bleachers on the roof. There was no contract with MLB if you watch the game from there.

[foobar1962]

Famously, again in Australia, the ABC lost the rights to broadcast football final games to a commercial station, so two ABC comedians (Roy and HG) did a radio show where they watched the game on tv live and added their own humorous commentary. Viewers would watch the commercial TV channel with the sound down and the ABC radio station sound instead.

[rstuart4133]

To this day, I take a radio to cricket matches. I watch the live game, and listen to the ABC commentary. But I guess it's not a surprise the radio commentary is better than none at all.

It's not really a surprise Roy & HG do a better job than the TV commentary. I still have no idea what name gymnastics uses to describe the "Hello Boys" and "Dutch Wink" manoeuvres. The curious can view some of them here: https://www.royandhg.com/gymnastics

"And New Zealanders perform at their best when they're sitting down going backwards." Such astute observations are Roy's trademark.

[NhanH]

The corporation certainly can kick you out of the stadium, but any law that can make such broadcast illegal is probably nigh unconstitutional in the US.

[jkaplowitz]

It’s amazing how many constitutional rights are allowed to be restricted by contract in the US. First Amendment free speech rights are on that list.

[DidYaWipe]

Only tangentially-related anecdote: I took my camera to a Dodgers game. To get in, you have to go through metal detectors. No problems.

I was sitting in my seat with friends, looking through my camera when a security guy came up and told me that I couldn't take pictures and that I had to take the lens off my camera. Of course I thought this was a joke and laughed in his face.

But no, he (and his buddy who also showed up) were serious. They claimed that my lens was TOO LARGE and therefore couldn't be used. I said well I went through security and they obviously didn't have a problem with it, and no fucking way was I taking it off my camera and leaving the sensor exposed all afternoon.

They grudgingly let me keep the camera together but threatened me with punishment if I was seen using it. And they seriously loitered around in the grandstand eyeballing me for the rest of the game.

It's incredible what people are expected to (and, sadly, do) tolerate now. I, the taxpayer and admission-payer, am being berated and abused for simply enjoying what I paid for.