[gazchop]

That's literally unambiguously a nazi salute. I've seen them before, from actual nazis. Because I am descended from one unfortunately.

It's shameful and at no point does any word play and excuse making around it make it ok. This needs to stop now. Right now.

Add to that the literal support for the far right parties definitely and conclusively aligned with nazi ideology, such as the AfD, it's terrible for everyone.

[kragen]

The ADL, who is defending him, is the world's foremost anti-neo-Nazi organization. If they say not to worry, I'm going to trust their judgment, even though the photos look pretty questionable to me as a layman.

[kragen]

I was wrong; Musk endorsed the AfD, so he is a neo-Nazi. The ADL and I were wrong. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/27/nx-s1-5276084/elon-musk-germa...

[pjc50]

The ADL have ended up in a weird place where the important thing to them is pro-Israel anti-Palestine policy, and everything is downstream from there.

The ADL last called out Musk for reinstating and awarding a tick to Kanye West after West made anti-semitic remarks which got him banned from Twitter. However, that's not as important to them as maintaining the war in Gaza.

[mtmail]

Look at the video, it's not a bad angle or misinterpretation. And he did it twice.

[gazchop]

I think you need to watch the videos not look at the photos as the videos show more unambiguous context and do not come with a narrative explaining them away. These are plain and simple nazi salutes.

[dathinab]

> world's foremost anti-neo-Nazi organization

no and they never have been, outside of the US and US contextualized business not many even know what it even is

through it is maybe the worlds foremost anti-antisemitism organization

But in case you might have missed it some neo Nazis and many more non-nazi fascists have dropped their antisemitism from a core point to a not much talked about side point, blaming everything on jews is just currently not very effective. You also might have missed that Israels government hasn't been exactly anti-fascist in recent times. Giving their far right, fear driving, not so open for opposition government which is fine with committing war crimes they themself aren't that far away from fascism.

Fascism doesn't need antisemitism, it just happens to most times come with it.

[threeseed]

a) This isn't about Trump. It's about Musk.

b) There are leading Nazi experts who have said it is a Nazi salute.

c) ADL has far broader goals on its mind than what idiotic thing Musk does or doesn't do so their statement needs to be put in context and taken with a grain of salt.

[gazchop]

If it's the ADL, they don't speak for everyone and they do not speak for me.

I'm literally German descended, living in the UK with little to no shit given about Trump whatsoever at all. This is Musk. What I do have a problem with is my friends and my families having a history going back nearly 100 years of misery, death and loss from the ideological constructs he's pushing for the last few years.

You can be a statesman and show respect, honour and decorum or you can be like that. There is no place in our political landscape anywhere for this.

So quite frankly stop gaslighting.

You need to understand that despite what people believe in the US, Europe is ideologically different and has a longer memory. There are literally reminders everywhere around us every day of last time.