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jannes | 1 year ago

The name Pwn2Own is quite ironic. Who really owns their vehicle nowadays?

I hope these security efforts don't lock legitimate owners out of access to their vehicles.

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mschuster91|1 year ago

> I hope these security efforts don't lock legitimate owners out of access to their vehicles.

Well that's the thing with cars. Anything the legitimate owner can do because they have physical access, a thief can also do... and even if you force manufacturers to provide a "rooting mode" aka you enter some PIN that you get at purchase into the car's infotainment and it will relax restrictions on the CAN bus, now you open up the gates for thieves as well.

And on top of that come the actual reasons for the security theatre: people modifying their ECUs to tune up their engines for higher power or speed limiters in trucks than is stated in the vehicle papers (at least in Europe, if you tune your vehicle and don't have the papers updated you're in legit felony territory), doing shit mods like "rolling coal" or otherwise tampering with emission controls (say to avoid having to refill adblue)... governments really REALLY do not like this and so regulations get tightened ever closer.

Scoundreller|1 year ago

Don’t forget the “nothing wrong but the $$$ sensor is broken” bypasses.

HPsquared|1 year ago

Old basic cars are easier to own, and harder to pwn.

mschuster91|1 year ago

> and harder to pwn

All it takes to pwn a Volkswagen T4 from the mid-90s is to rake the lock, pry open or smash the door, and then about half a minute to hot-wire three pins on the ignition switch (one for the main power and one for the starter motor), although I think that you should be able to motor-rake the ignition switch as well.

Source: owned and heavily worked on one for a few years. Reliable as fuck but thank god Europe doesn't have much of a "joyride" scene.

bagels|1 year ago

Depends how old. Anything before mid 90s was trivial to steal with little or no equipment.