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tempeler | 1 year ago

On another subject, if it belongs to OpenAI because it uses OpenAI, then doesn't that mean that everything produced using OpenAI belongs to OpenAI? Isn't that a reason not to use OpenAI? It's very similar to saying that you used Google and searched; now this product belongs to Google. They couldn't figure out how to respond; they went crazy.

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dathinab|1 year ago

The US ruled that AI produced things are by themself not copyrightable.

So no, it doesn't belong to OpenAI.

You might be able to sue for penalties for breach of contract of the TOS, but that doesn't give them the right to the model. And even if it doesn't give them any right to invalidate unbound copyright grants they have given to 3rd parties (here literally everyone). Nor does it prevent anyone from training their own new models based on it or prevent anyone from using it. Oh, and the one breaching the TOS might not even have been the company behind DeepSeek but some in-between 3rd party.

Naturally this is under a few assumptions:

- the US consistently applies it's own law, but they have a long history of not doing so

- the US doesn't abuse their power to force their economical opinions (ban DeepSeek) on other countries

- it actually was trained on OpenAI, but uh, OpenAI has IMHO shown over the years very clearly that they can't be trusted and they are fully in-transparent. How do we trust their claim? How do we trust them to not retrospectively have tweaked their model to make it look as if DeepSeek copied it?

protocolture|1 year ago

>The US ruled that AI produced things are by themself not copyrightable.

The US ruled that the AI cannot be the author, that doesn't lead like so many clickbait articles suggest, that no AI products can be copyrighted.

1 Activist tried to get the US copyright office to acknowledge his LLM as the author, who would then provide him a license to the work.

There was no issue with himself being the original author and copyright holder of the AI works. But thats not what was being challenged.

johndhi|1 year ago

to be clear, their terms of service are pretty clear that the USER owns the outputs.

jonathanstrange|1 year ago

The official stance in the US is currently that there is no copyright on AI output.

dandanua|1 year ago

Welcome to technofascism, where everything belongs to tech billionaires and their pocket politicians.