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Tyrubias | 1 year ago

It’s terrifying that data US taxpayers paid for, collected and analyzed in the name of public health, can be removed on a whim. While there are a lot of efforts to archive said data, it would still make it unavailable to Americans who are not tech savvy. Unfortunately, that seems to be the idea, I think.

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skykooler|1 year ago

Would the removed data be something that could be requested under FOIA?

qingcharles|1 year ago

I can answer this as a serial FOIA litigator.

If the data is still in the possession of the government (e.g. in backups, on paper) then it is FOIA-able.

I had a gov agency temporarily throw all the materials into a trash can when I requested them and argued that since they were sitting in a trash can they were not available under FOIA.

jeffgreco|1 year ago

Requires a law abiding administration.

refurb|1 year ago

It is terrifying. Especially since the Executive Order didn't require it.

Why is the CDC taking down data when it's not required to do so?

jimmydoe|1 year ago

majority of voters have made an ultimate choice. everything has to serve the choice. if you pay tax but don't or can't vote, sorry, it's your own problem.

jagged-chisel|1 year ago

Isn't this data already inaccessible to those who are not tech savvy? My grandma isn’t visiting any of the data download sites provided by the federal government. She doesn’t even know why she would, or even that such data is available. And if I provide it to her, she hasn’t the skills to do anything with it.

vharuck|1 year ago

A lot of federal money goes to state and local health programs. For example, consider mammograms. A state will be given a budget to spend on mammograms. The state doesn't do those screenings itself, so it solicits bids from several healthcare organizations. Those organizations create proposals with estimates of the number of residents eligible for free screening in their area, the burden of breast cancer among that group, and whether those potential patients fall into underserved or high risk demographics. All of that comes from high quality data published by the federal government. Those groups pull data from these online data sets.

Your grandma might have gotten free mammograms because of that data.

arunabha|1 year ago

Agreed that your grandma is unlikely to access the data directly, however that doesn't imply she is not affected by it's removal. As others have noted, professionals your grandma almost certainly depends upon(doctors for example) rely on the data.

rexpop|1 year ago

Luckily, we live in a society of specialists, and while you are laying bricks, public health orgs are generating reports and taking interviews and making these data accessible and meaningful to you.

So, yes, your grandma relies on a data "supply chain" but, nevertheless, it benefits her.

Gigachad|1 year ago

A lot of the user facing pages with general info about stuff like HIV has been deleted too.

talldayo|1 year ago

It's a bit like asking whether road signs are effective for Americans who can't read. The signs are there for the people that are using the road, and if you're not using the road you can safely ignore it.

Applejinx|1 year ago

That's why this is more of an attack on the Hacker News demographic, not Grandma.

If you had a real startup doing real things in healthcare, this is an intentional spoke in your wheels.