[JediPig]

Dell does this but continues to outsource to India and China where communication is an epic problem that has never been solved. This is nothing short of a stealth layoff. If they were so interested in communicating they would hire all US and stop the outsourcing.

This is utter bullsh*t and everyone knows it.

[stego-tech]

This quite literally cuts both ways, and workers know it.

If you can outsource work abroad, then you cannot justify mandating everyone be in the office. If you’re mandating everyone be in the office, then you can’t be outsourcing work abroad.

Workers aren’t stupid, and ignoring them is what leads to Unions.

[pjmlp]

They are not alone, this is the reality in all companies demanding RTO.

[rubicon33]

I think the underlying problem here is that despite what the stock market would have you believe, sales are down, moral is down, and many industries are experiencing light to moderate headwinds.

RTO is an (desperate) attempt to resuscitate businesses experiencing economic woes.

[al_borland]

It’s not even just a matter of being all in the US, they would need to have everyone in a single office. The second teams need to work together between offices, the in-person pop-in chat is dead. Of course this doesn’t mean it turns into a days long email chain, in be a quick call.

People randomly stopping at my desk was a huge productivity killer when I was in the office. Working from home, that killer turns to meetings and group chats. Both arrangements have their issues when it comes to interruptions. At least at home I can control if those apps are open and allowing notifications, if I really do need to be heads down to meet a deadline.

When outsourcing across timezones, that’s when those quick chats, regardless of the medium, start to take days, because each reply takes a day.

[rdtsc]

> This is nothing short of a stealth layoff

Absolutely. They should just stop pretending. They know they are lying as they say it's all about collaborating closer and communication. The workers know they are lying. They workers know the leaders know they are lying. But it's still not allowed to be acknowledged publicly.

If it really was all about collaboration and communication this would be uniformly enforced as much as possible globally and the budget to travel and in-person meetups for teams would have been greatly increased. If neither one of those is happening, it's just too obvious.

[wormius]

"The workers know they are lying. They workers know the leaders know they are lying. But it's still not allowed to be acknowledged publicly."

Man it reads SO much like Soviet days when the bureaucrats would say one thing, but the people would know it's bullshit, as did the leaders and everyone had to pretend it's "real".