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TuringTourist | 1 year ago

I take "external power" to mean power that is not "free" as in humans paid for it. Otherwise the phrase "External power" is meaningless, as all energy comes from somewhere else eventually. (unless you're at some point in time extremely close to the birth of the universe, then we might accept that it's actually internal or at least locally sourced)

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water9|1 year ago

You bring up an interesting point about the birth of the universe. Doesn’t that violate the principle that energy cannot be created?

wongarsu|1 year ago

That depends on what you believe was there the instant before the universe was created.

Answering that with "nothing" would indeed violate all kinds of conservation laws. The currently most popular theory is that time and space also started at the big bang. If that's true there is no "before the big bang", and thus the energy was always there.

Other possible answers:

- the energy was there but kind of dormant, then something triggered the big bang

- we live in a cyclical universe: after the big bang the universe expands until it reaches some maximum, then it contracts, collapses in to itself and triggers a new big bang (this seems unlikely given current experimental evidence)

- The multiverse sometimes creates "bubbles" like our universe. This is similar to spacetime starting at the big bang, but tries to explain why that happened

- Same idea, but in regular 4d spacetime: we are a kind of bubble, possibly expanding bubble, in a void filled with bubbles

- We are the inside of a rotating black hole

I'd have to go back and check how the last three reason about energy.

As you can imagine, testing any of those theories is incredibly difficult. Not impossible, but really really hard. They are more like fan theories that can be tested for internal consistency without any good hope of showing which one is true.

chowells|1 year ago

At the very large scale, the universe does not appear to conserve energy. The whole "lambda" in "lambda cold dark matter" is a description of how energy is being added to the universe.