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tamlin | 1 year ago

Agree on NPU vs CPU memory bandwidth, but not sure about characterizing the GPU that way. GDDR is usually faster than DDR of the same generation, and on higher end graphics cards has a width bus width. A few GPUs have HBM and pretty much all datacenter ML accelerators (NVidia B200 / H100 / A100, Google TPU, etc). The PCIe bus between the host memory and GPU memory is a bottleneck for intensive workloads.

To perform a multiplication on CPU, even SIMD, that values have to fetched and converted to a form the CPU has multipliers for. This means smaller numeric types penalised. For a 128-bit memory bus, an NPU can fetch 32 4-bit values per transfer; the best case for a CPU is 16 8-bit values.

Details are scant on Microsoft's NPU, but it probably has many parallel multipliers; either in the form of tensor cores or a systolic array. The effective number of matmul's per second (or per memory operation) is higher.

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justincormack|1 year ago

Yeah standalone GPUs do indeed have more bandwidth, but most of these Copilot PCs that have NPUs just have shared memory for everything I think.

fetching 16 8 bit values vs 32 4 bit values is the same, this is the form they are stored in memory. Doing some unpacking into more registers and back is more or less free anyway, if you are memory bandwidth bound. Largely on these lower end machines everything is memory bound not compute bound, although the CPUs cant often use the full memory bandwidth in some systems (eg the Macs) but the GPU can.

tamlin|1 year ago

Yes, agree. Probably the main thing is the NPU is just a dedicated unit without the generality / complexity of a CPU and so able to crunch matmuls more efficiently.