[hackerdues]

> They are not physically in control of Taiwan, so no, they haven't "won the war" in that respect.

They won the civil war, just like the vietnamese won their war of independence against france. It's just that china, like vietnam, needs to win another war. The war against the US to fully liberate their nation like vietnam did.

> Not that it matters, because legitimacy of holding territory is not based on winning wars.

Sure it is. It's the wars we won against britain, spain, mexico, japan, etc that gained all our territory. You think spain gave up florida, mexico gave up texas and japan gave up the pacific islands because they were feeling generous? Winning wars is what ultimately decides who owns what. The past 500 years has been europeans winning wars and stealing land all over the world. Actually, all of human history is people taking territory by force. Actually, this also applies to lions, wolves and ants.

The reason china doesn't control taiwan is because they chickened out and decided not to fight the US for taiwan. The chinese should look to india for some inspiration. Know why goa is part of india again? India forcibly took it back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa

[account42]

So in summary, China lost the war for Taiwan. The fact that they may or may not start another one over the territory which they may or may not win is irrelevent - they do NOT control Formosa or any of the smaller islands around it at this point. So yes, pretending that Taiwan does not exist when anyone who would travel there can clearly see otherwise is denialism.