How is the response to Oct 7 a defensive action? Using block sized bombs to take out one terrorist minutes after shooting a missile and has already left the scene when smaller munitions from drones can do the job is defensive? The military threat of Hama'
s is a few RPGs that have barely injured anyone since the war started.
How does Israel even know the ratio, they're not counting deaths.
All Hamas wanted from the beginning to release hostages was for Israel to do the same. Something they've now done anyway so the entire war and all civilian suffering was unnecessary.
> How is the response to Oct 7 a defensive action? Using block sized bombs to take out one terrorist minutes after shooting a missile and has already left the scene when smaller munitions from drones can do the job is defensive? The military threat of Hama' s is a few RPGs that have barely injured anyone since the war started.
You're minimizing Hamas's rocket fire on Israel (which weren't RPGs) because it "barely injured anyone". And that part is true, but you're misunderstanding the costs here. In the weeks after October 7th, Israel was effectively shut down. There were sirens that forced the majority of Israelis into safe rooms 5, 6 times a day. Schools couldn't open, workplaces could barely function.
And of course, the reason these rockets "didn't hurt anyone" is because of millions spent shooting them down.
Now I don't know which of Israel's actions are "justified", if any. And I don't know what is "morally correct response" to a foreign territory ruled by a terrorist organization effectively shutting down your country. But I don't think you can simply dismiss this. It's a real problem.
How many times would you be willing to run into a safe room with your terrified children, before you say "well we need to put a stop to this?".
> All Hamas wanted from the beginning to release hostages was for Israel to do the same.
All Hamas wanted was to invade Israel, shoot massive rounds of rockets at it for weeks, and for Israel to not respond because they took hostages. Had Israel not responded, they would've repeated this again and again. It's also very possible that Hezbollah, whom we now know had massive preparations underway for a similar invasion of Israel, would've carried out that plan and invaded Israel, leading to far more death for everyone.
(btw, if your implication is that the Palestinian prisoners released today are "hostages" in the same sense as the Israeli hostages in Gaza, then I have to disagree with you.)
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Hikikomori|1 year ago
How does Israel even know the ratio, they're not counting deaths.
All Hamas wanted from the beginning to release hostages was for Israel to do the same. Something they've now done anyway so the entire war and all civilian suffering was unnecessary.
edanm|1 year ago
You're minimizing Hamas's rocket fire on Israel (which weren't RPGs) because it "barely injured anyone". And that part is true, but you're misunderstanding the costs here. In the weeks after October 7th, Israel was effectively shut down. There were sirens that forced the majority of Israelis into safe rooms 5, 6 times a day. Schools couldn't open, workplaces could barely function.
And of course, the reason these rockets "didn't hurt anyone" is because of millions spent shooting them down.
Now I don't know which of Israel's actions are "justified", if any. And I don't know what is "morally correct response" to a foreign territory ruled by a terrorist organization effectively shutting down your country. But I don't think you can simply dismiss this. It's a real problem.
How many times would you be willing to run into a safe room with your terrified children, before you say "well we need to put a stop to this?".
> All Hamas wanted from the beginning to release hostages was for Israel to do the same.
All Hamas wanted was to invade Israel, shoot massive rounds of rockets at it for weeks, and for Israel to not respond because they took hostages. Had Israel not responded, they would've repeated this again and again. It's also very possible that Hezbollah, whom we now know had massive preparations underway for a similar invasion of Israel, would've carried out that plan and invaded Israel, leading to far more death for everyone.
(btw, if your implication is that the Palestinian prisoners released today are "hostages" in the same sense as the Israeli hostages in Gaza, then I have to disagree with you.)
aa-jv|1 year ago
This is not so clear as you think. Israel is a nuclear-armed state that is not a participant in the non-proliferation treaties.
Everything that the world fears of Iran, is already the case with Israel.
Forward-deployed nukes are a hell of a blackmail.