[fimdomeio]

It really makes you think about those crazy internet folks from back in the day who thought copyright law was too strict and that restricting humanity to knowledge in such a way was holding us all back for the benefit of a tiny few.

[jeroenhd]

I'm all for chopping up copyright law. But until we do so, companies like Meta need to be treated just like everyone else.

That means lawsuits, prison sentences, and millions in fines. And that's just the piracy part, there's also the lying/fraud part.

Interestingly, a Dutch LLM project was sent a cease and desist after the local copyright lobby caught wind of it being trained on a bunch of pirated eBooks. The case unfortunately wasn't fought out in court, because I would be very interested to see if this could make that copyright lobby take down ChatGPT and the other AI companies for doing the same.

[Workaccount2]

>need to be treated just like everyone else.

So a copyright warning letter in the mail from their ISP? Maybe someone should tell them about VPNs...

[stefan_]

The more concerning thing is that the best thing these overpaid people could come up with was.. download the torrent, like everyone else. Here you are, billions of resources, and no one is willing to spend a part of it to at least digitize some new data? Like even Google did?

[dietr1ch]

I think they are morally required to improve the current state.

- Seed the torrent and publicly promote piracy pushing lawmakers.

- Contribute with digitisation and open access like Google did in the past.

- Make the part of their dataset that was pirated publicly accessible.

- Fight stupid copyright laws. I can't believe that copyright lasts more than 20 years. No field moves that slowly, and there should be tighter limits on faster moving fields.

[fsflover]

> crazy internet folks from back in the day

You mean Electronic Frontier Foundation? https://www.eff.org/issues/innovation

[Workaccount2]

Probably the single biggest thing I learned growing up is that you can safely live by "Everyone is in it for themselves".

It's incredibly rare to find people who hold ideals that are detrimental to their own life.

[erikerikson]

This hasn't been my observation. Instead, I see a society where people regularly help and serve one other, frequently for free. Consider parents, social workers, most academics, food banks, charity in general, most workers in most businesses, et cetera. I wonder: who do you know and work with? A minority of people profit wonderfully off this. Incidentally, they seem to also preach principals that can only lead to the end of their gravy train.

You can counter by insisting that these "altruistic" behaviors are simply less directly but still in the altruist's interest. I would entirely agree.

[satvikpendem]

Yep, you even see it on HN with artists and devs complaining about AI, especially when things like ChatGPT and Stable Diffusion were first announced. People who were pretty lax about copyright when it didn't affect them personally suddenly became copyright maximalists, talking about "stealing, theft, etc" Since then, people have calmed down and realized that AI is simply a tool like any other.

[Der_Einzige]

Hence why I became obsessed with just about the only Philosopher who engaged with this idea seriously: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ego_and_Its_Own