[dude187]

"Single payer" really just means "no choice, and no competition". I wouldn't really expect things to get better under such a system, and worse it would put a much larger percentage of our freedom on the chopping block.

Just look at the all the stuff they pulled over COVID. It would usher in a terrible era where everything you do is free for someone else to say no to, because "we all pay for that".

I give it 10 years under such a system until we have a similar supreme Court ruling to the one we got for interstate trade. Except this time blowing out their scope of power to anything and everything, with no more limits

[relaxing]

> a terrible era where everything you do is free for someone else to say no to, because "we all pay for that".

Yes I greatly prefer the current era, where everything you do is expensive and someone else can still say no.

[dude187]

It's not the same as the current setup, as it would provide justification for control over every aspect of your life.

Like skydiving? Too bad, it costs us in heath care dollars, so we have to ban it. Competitive sports? Can't justify the cost. Oh and of COURSE you can't have free choice in your diet and libations. People make unhealthy choices and it costs all of us, so your choices will be made for you.

It won't go all the way there day one, probably won't go there fully in the end, but the effect will be real. Just look at how every aspect of our freedom was restricted over COVID, with the justification that your choices "impact other people".

It will put overly cautious or even just overly controlling public health individuals as having control they never should be allowed to have

[tzs]

Medicare has been providing single payer healthcare to Americans 65 and older for nearly 60 years without running into the pitfalls you are worried about. Why do you think a single payer system for younger people would not be able to also avoid those issues?