[maxdoop]

What is reasoning? What is understanding? Do humans do either? How do you know?

[bwfan123]

0) causal model == symbolic representation with associated rules for generating statements

1) understanding anything == building a causal model of it

2) intelligence == ability to build causal models

3) reasoning == proving or disproving statements

4) math == causal models of abstract worlds

5) science == causal models of real world with associated real world actions to test hypothesis

[bwfan123]

this is the question that the greeks wrestled with over 2000 years ago. at the time there were the sophists (modern llm equivalents) that could speak persuasively like a politician.

over time this question has been debated by philosophers, scientists, and anyone who wanted to have better cognition in general.

[williamcotton]

at the time there were the sophists (modern llm equivalents) that could speak persuasively like a politician.

You might want to brush up on your Greek history.

[maxdoop]

So how can you claim what an LLM is doing if we cannot define it regardless?