[vikaveri]

You assume that is all about hard work, self control and iron will. I can assure you that it is not, in many cases. Two days after the first shot I realized that if this is how people feel normally two things are crystal clear. One, obesity can be clearly an illness, or medical condition, that can not be cured by willpower alone. Two, if something is easy as drinking a glass of water for you, you can be a real dick about it without even realizing it if you have no idea how others can experience it

[SpicyLemonZest]

I realized after my first increase from the starting dosage that the feeling I used to call "full" was what most people call "not too hungry", and I'd been genuinely satiated 4 or 5 times in the past decade at best.

[ddmf]

For some it's not as simple as calories in / calories out.

I stopped taking tirzepatide in September after losing 60lbs. Except for a blip at Christmas I am eating the same things and same amounts that I was during the weight loss with glp1 and I am steadily putting on weight, there is definitely something else going on and yet for the 20+ previous years where I've struggled to lose weight I've been told that I'm just not counting calories right.

As you said the first time I felt really full was on these drugs, and the lack of food noise - which is slowly returning but not as quickly as I thought - was wonderous.

[crooked-v]

On the one hand, you probably aren't counting calories right.

On the other hand, studies have shown that almost nobody can count calories right, so it's probably useless to try and rely on outside of basic order-of-magnitude kind of things.