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starbugs | 1 year ago

Look, HN people don't like Tesla. A lot of German people in positions of power don't like Tesla. Suddenly an article appears that explicitly highlights Tesla vehicles as not passing TÜV because they allegedly have quality issues. The article mentions no details. If you search for details on Google, you get a list of very similar looking articles all citing the same statement from a TÜV person. None of those provide any details on the actual issues. If no details are provided, the only thing to do is guess.

It's really quite clear what's going on here.

The TÜV does not assess the reliability of a car. The reasons for a car failing an inspection after 3 years can be manifold. It doesn't mean that the car "won't age well" or anything along those lines.

If you dislike Tesla, then say it - it's fine. No need to support vague smear campaigns.

In fact, right now Tesla has the best electric car technology available on the market. Along with the best charging network available on the market. And the best software (light years ahead of the competition) on the market. Also they don't require you to service the car for a long time. That makes German people especially afraid that they lose their car manufacturing, selling and servicing business. And rightly so. No smear campaign and no comparing apples to oranges will save them from reforming and restoring their competitiveness in a very long painful process.

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mschild|1 year ago

What do you mean suddenly? The report is released every year. There's nothing mysterious about news pages, especially those related to cars, writing articles about a yearly report. The article mentions no in-depth detail because it is an excerpt from the full report which you are free to purchase and read if you would like more information. The reason Tesla gets mentioned is twofold: electric cars have been a topic of discussion in Germany for quite some time and the failure rate of Tesla Model 3s is significantly higher than other comparable cars. I don't know why you have it in your head that this is some big conspiracy by Big Car TM. Yes, TÜV does not assess reliability of a car, but road-worthiness. Evidently something that Tesla has a larger problem with than other manufacturers. I don't know why, nor do I claim to. I don't care about Tesla. Neither do I care about VW or any other manufacturer for that matter. They are profit oriented companies that are selling you a product.

> In fact, right now Tesla has the best electric car technology available on the market.

By what measure exactly? The best isn't a measure and as of right now a subjective statement.

> Along with the best charging network available on the market.

Again, subjective. What do you mean by best? The amount of chargers? The cost/kWh? Location? And what market exactly?

> And the best software (light years ahead of the competition) on the market.

Again, subjective. You complain about an article having no detail, then make statements praising Tesla as the best electric car but provide 0 evidence or numbers.

Just because you like something, doesn't mean I have to as well. I'm not a mechanical/electrical engineer so I cannot speak to their car technology or reliability. I do know their software, because I drove one for work reasons for 3 months. You might like it and get along fine with it, I don't.

I didn't buy a Tesla because their choice to start placing all functionality into the touch screen is counterintuitive to the whole point of the car: getting me safely from point A to B. Other manufacturers, including VW are horrendous at this as well. I didn't buy a car from them either.

> Also they don't require you to service the car for a long time.

Given the percentage of their cars failing the inspection, perhaps they should.

starbugs|1 year ago

Parent asked why it's not a good proxy measure for reliability. You admit that it isn't.

> Yes, TÜV does not assess reliability of a car, but road-worthiness

So, great - that's all I tried to say to start with.

Now enjoy your smear campaign!