[vivekd]

I think we can have peace talks - like what is happening. Or if we believe Russia is too great a threat we can have all out war against Russia involving NATO. Both those outcomes would be acceptable.

What is not acceptable to me is the current status quo of Ukraine and only Ukrainian lives being lost while the rest of the world funds it with money and weapons while insisting there must be no peace talks

[nozzlegear]

I've never heard anyone insist on there being no peace talks, only that there be no peace talks that don't involve Ukraine. I think most people who support Ukraine are worried about Trump conducting peace talks with Russia, excluding Ukraine from those peace talks, and then coming to some kind of deal that involves Russia keeping the land they've annexed.

It's like that "Myth of Consensual Sex" meme with the two teenagers and Jesus. Isn't there somebody (Ukraine) you forgot to ask?

[vivekd]

That would be a reasonable I objection if it looked as if there was a risk of that. Everything I've heard from Zelynski so far tells me that Ukraine will be involved and they will have the final say

[IAmGraydon]

A good post with a very strange ending.

[croes]

The problem is that Trump makes concessions before the negotiations even started.

And it the moment it just looks like Russia gets parts of its winnings, replenish its reserves and then tried it again.

Maybe he should attack the US if the give up territories so easily.

BTW it was Putin who said, why should I negatively as long as I‘m winning.

[ashoeafoot]

we had talks.we had inky stained papers.we had concessions. we had all that, yet here we are. how many of these talks do you want to have?