[nagonago]

Unrelated to the article, but this reminds me of being an intrepid but naive 12-year-old trying to learn programming. I had already taught myself a bit using books, including following a tutorial to make a simple calculator complete with a GUI in C++. However I wasn't sure how to improve further without help, so my mom found me an IT school.

The sales lady gave us a hard sell on their "complete package" which had basic C programming but also included a bunch of unnecessary topics like Microsoft Excel, etc. When I tried to ask if I could skip all that and just skip to more advanced programming topics, she was adamant that this wasn't an option; she downplayed my achievements trying to say I basically knew nothing and needed to start from the beginning.

Most of all, I recall her saying something like "So what, you made a calculator? That's so simple, anybody could make that!"

However in the end I was naive, she was good at sales, and I was desperate for knowledge, so we signed up. However sure enough the curriculum was mostly focused on learning basic Microsoft Office products, and the programming sections barely scraped the surface of computer science; in retrospect, I doubt there was anybody there qualified to teach it at all. The only real lesson I learned was not to trust salespeople.

Thank god it's a lot easier for kids to just teach themselves programming these days online.

[throwaway2037]

Nice story. Thank you share. For years, I struggled with the idea of "message passing" for GUIs. Later, I learned it was nothing more than the window procedure (WNDPROC) in the Win32 API. <sad face>

    > However I wasn't sure how to improve further without help, so my mom found me an IT school.

This sounds interesting. What is an "IT school"? (What country? They didn't have these in mine.)

[nagonago]

This was in Bangkok, Thailand, although the school itself was run by Indians. They had IT courses for both kids and adults.

Fortunately I think these days there are a lot more options for kids to learn programming, but back then the options were pretty limited.

[sokz]

Probably institutes teaching IT stuff. They used to be popular (still?) in my country (India) in the past. That said, there are plenty of places which train in reasonable breadth in programming, embedded etc. now (think less intense bootcamps).

[b112]

Most of all, I recall her saying something like "So what, you made a calculator? That's so simple, anybody could make that!"

This literally brings rage to the fore. Downplaying a kid's accomplishments is the worst thing an educator could do, and marks her as evil.

I've often looked for examples of time travel, hints it is happening. I've looked at pictures of movie stars, to see if anyone today has traveled back in time to try to woo them. I've looked at markets, to see if someone is manipulating them in weird, unconventional ways.

I wonder how many cases of "random person punched another person in the head" and then "couldn't be found" is someone traveling back in time to slap this lady in the head.

[matsemann]

Hah, I also went down that route. Through my school I could do extra computer stuff, ended up with this certificate at 10 years old or so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Certification_of...

So yeah, a kid well-versed in Office. My birthday invites were bad-ass, though. Remember I had one row in Excel per invited person with data, and in the Word document placeholders, and when printing it would make a unique page per row in Excel, so everyone got customized invites with their names. Probably spent longer setting it up than it would've taken to edit their names + print 10 times separately, but felt cool..

Luckily a teacher understood what I really wanted, and sent me home with a floppy disk with some template web-page with some small code I could edit in Notepad and see come to live.

[brettermeier]

Salespeople are the cancer at the worlds butt.

[ed_b4_profit]

For profit education is the problem here.