>> Assuming that anyone in the government still cares.
Schneier hits the mark here.
Government only works at all if people care.
And if you tell someone that their job, and the organisation they work for - are of no value - then those people won't care any more.
I don't know what the outcome would be of large swathes of the government either being fired or not caring any more but we're going to find out and I don't think it will be good.
Or maybe not, maybe Trump and whathisname are right and government really is a complete waste of money. In which case there will be great money savings and the USA will be the better for it.
> Nuclear security is highly specialized, high-pressure work, but it's not particularly well paid, one employee told NPR. Given what's unfolded over the past 24 hours, "why would anybody want to take these jobs?" they asked.
The people who will be hired in those jobs in the future are the ones who can't find any other job, and don't care one way or another. It will be a catastrophe of epic proportions, but hard to notice at first because it happens so slowly. Which makes it all the more dangerous.
Sounds like the jobs probably already had people who can't find any other job and don't especially care, if you ask me. At least that makes as much sense as your argument about future hires.
Yup. Basically that and the president being the executor of laws and having a standing army that he is chief of … effectively makes him a king. Especially since Congress is bought and paid for and won’t impeach him.
In general, the Executive branch, the Intelligence Community, Congress, the Courts, the Populace are all responsible for keeping the President's Office accountable, both officially and extra-officially. Officially, via legal and direct means. Extra-officially, by means of protest, mounting cultural as well as mediatic pressure, etc.
In our, as Trump's actions have greatly affected the international community as well, situation what's most concerning is the initial, slow but eventually complete and absolute breakdown of public discourse.
Truth is irrelevant, poise is impractical, facts are an obstacle, outrage and drama are the new assertive communication. It's all about Me and My Emotions, us versus them.
This has been the case increasingly, for years, on both sides of the political aisle. Everyone compartmentalizes everyone into the sub-groups they are a part of, until everyone is so compartmentalized that they are completely alone because there are no similarities left for any common ground whatsoever. Such is the dystopic portrait of a society in complete disarray.
Under those circumstances, everything is legal, simply because there's noone to enforce the commonly agreed upon Rule of Law.
Only clears federal crimes, though. If the states can start pinning stuff on people then Trump only has pressure he can put on, like he's doing with Romania right now to try and help the Tate brothers escape (╯ఠ益ఠ)╯
In nuclear the saying "there's always enough time to do it right the first time" comes to mind. Preventing rework and reducing risk to the safety of the public.
When it comes to the doe there are likely departments that could be trimmed back and interpretations of some laws to the cfr made a little more clear, but since the doe is in charge of everything nuclear it might be good to do a more indepth look at each department instead of a quick and careless wipe.
Currently nuclear power is regulated in a way of "bring me a rock and I'll tell you if it's the right rock, but if it isn't the right rock it will be painful.
Great news for Iran, which might not need to assemble its own nuclear warheads and instead could buy them off some shady salesperson in Bulgaria once they've been pilfered from the US.
This should be fixed to match the article title, but if these jobs are important it seems easy to justify not firing them with 200 characters? "Avoid nuclear war" is only 17, and changing "war" to "meltdowns" only adds another 6.
I think it is increasingly clear that Europe, Canada, the UK, and other Western liberal democracies are laying the groundwork for a new strategic direction, one where the United States is no longer viewed as a dependable superpower or a guaranteed partner.
This does not mean the US will be written off entirely, at least not in the foreseeable future. However, the era in which the US could dictate the global agenda, particularly in Europe, appears to be coming to an end. A recent example is the US Vice President’s speech in Germany, followed by meetings with the AfD rather than the German Chancellor - an unmistakable signal that Washington no longer prioritizes its European allies in the same way.
A similar shift may be seen in the area of technology. Reliance on American tech companies and investments is likely to decrease, with governments and businesses seeking alternatives. Even China could play a role in this transition, despite the security risks it presents. Economic growth depends on global trade, and many nations may be unwilling to let US protectionism dictate their technological and economic choices.
It is an unexpected turn, but in hindsight, one we could have seen coming. The transformation of the US Republican Party, coupled with growing public support for politicians who embrace extreme rhetoric, reject objective facts, and show little respect for science or democratic principles, has reshaped the country’s global standing. Many of these figures claim to uphold democracy but, from an outside perspective, promote an increasingly authoritarian vision through their policies and rhetoric.
Ultimately, it is up to the American people to choose their government and shape their society. However, the US has become increasingly unstable and polarized, straying from both common sense and the ideals of a liberal democracy. As this internal turmoil continues, it is no surprise that its traditional allies are beginning to seek a future less dependent on American leadership.
It really does feel like this is the end of the US as the dominating super power and world police.
Who wants to buy weapons from the US when you won't get permission to use them to defend themselves?
Who wants to make deals with the US when they will just get torn up and the US will even threaten their allies with economic sanctions and even invasion?
Who in their right mind will lean on the US to protect them, when they're showing how incompetent and unreliable they are?
> Will this term be the end of the craziness or is this the end of the US as a super power?
No Democrat could ever say we need to spend more money on foreign aid, rebuild the CFPB, or do anything that is seen to be spending taxpayer money to help poor people either domestic or abroad.
The Republican Party seems like it will be populist at least for a generation. No traditional Republican could ever win a primary today. Reagan himself would be called a RINO today.
France has spent half a century being like “Look at me, I can offer nuclear umbrella, and also sell modern weapons, who need the crazy US when you can have me”, and is finally hoping to score !
The most obvious one was mostly build to get rid of visa and mastercard (and for a part of the immigrated population, Alipay and other "services" to transfer money externally), it's called the EPI and it has been in the works for a while, but i assure you that if Musk threaten a big enough european company, that shit will be ready in a month at worst.
There are many in the US who have a particular strand of thinking. It goes a bit like this:
The US is meddling too much in other country's affairs.
Only a handful of countries actually have agency - US, Russia, China mostly.
All the wars out there are actually proxy wars, because the US is up to no good and interfering with one of the other countries with agency.
It follows that all that is required for global peace is to withdraw US support for foreign adventuring.
America looks after America, Russia looks after (extended) Russia. The more isolationist a country is, the better it is. Hungary is a better friend than the UK because it opposes American adventuring, just like us.
There are other elements of the logic. America interferes abroad for cynical reasons. In Afghanistan, it was the poppies. In Iraq, it was the oil.
They scratched their head a little over Ukraine, but then decided it was for rare earth minerals.
I don't know if it's the end of the US as superpower, but what Musk is doing is destroying US state capacity from within, and what Trump's representatives are doing are destroying US influence abroad. If the goal is ending the US as a superpower, the actions are certainly shaped in a way that look like they're trying to end it.
I actually have been speculating since Trump 1 on whether Europe would eventually join the Chinese block.
On the one side, we (now) have Trump both threatening Europe with the potential of an invasion of Groenland, and explicitly telling Russia that it won't intervene if Putin bombs Europe, so if I were a European leader, I'd be looking for allies.
On the other side, we have China and Europe being the two powers who actually pay a little bit more than lip service to long-term thinking, in particular the future of the planet, while Trump is explicitly saying f*ck to the environment.
Yes, there are countless divergences between China and Europe, in addition to competiton. But we've seen stranger bedfellows.
> Has the rest of the democratic world been making plans to reduce reliance on the US since the first Trump administration?
Plans were already being drafted before Trump won the election, given his strong polling, but bureaucracy makes things move a little slow. I think it has united EU countries who understand that this over-reliance on the US can be problematic given how quickly policies can shift, and will lead to a stronger EU.
The NATO framework is there and all countries part of it can keep following it to work together even without the US, and regardless of the memes, EU countries have a very advanced arsenal and lots of trained military personnel - with Russia struggling against one country, it's hard to believe they can ever make a move against 27 EU states, especially due to historical bad blood between many of them and Russia, which only serve to amplify the desire to stand up against them.
> Will this term be the end of the craziness or is this the end of the US as a super power?
I think it's a correction we've been due for a while, especially with the rise in extremist parties in recent years all across the world. Whether things will reseat themselves smoothly or whether we'll be in for a rough ride, it's hard to say.
If the current trend keeps going in the next few years with the US becoming more isolationist, I think it will be almost impossible for them to comeback to being a superpower even with a future president that wants to do a 180, as it takes more than nukes to be a superpower.
Imagine if crypto proponents were tasked like this with remaking the monetary systems, without having a real clue why it currently is how it is. It could be interesting and even work, but more likely than not it will just repeat the errors of the past and would be tweaked again and again until it resembles something similar to what it is now, with massive fallout in the meantime.
The irony the eurodollar system already works like decentralized crypto. There is a ledger of assets and liabilities and the international banks keep tabs on each other.
jgord|1 year ago
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2025/02/doge-as-a-nat...
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2025/02/ai-and-civil-...
wewewedxfgdf|1 year ago
Schneier hits the mark here.
Government only works at all if people care.
And if you tell someone that their job, and the organisation they work for - are of no value - then those people won't care any more.
I don't know what the outcome would be of large swathes of the government either being fired or not caring any more but we're going to find out and I don't think it will be good.
Or maybe not, maybe Trump and whathisname are right and government really is a complete waste of money. In which case there will be great money savings and the USA will be the better for it.
retinaros|1 year ago
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bambax|1 year ago
The people who will be hired in those jobs in the future are the ones who can't find any other job, and don't care one way or another. It will be a catastrophe of epic proportions, but hard to notice at first because it happens so slowly. Which makes it all the more dangerous.
fifilura|1 year ago
pjc50|1 year ago
wakawaka28|1 year ago
Aeolun|1 year ago
Which isn’t something the he is worried about given how buddy buddy he is with their respective leaders.
wewewedxfgdf|1 year ago
gigatexal|1 year ago
jdsalaro|1 year ago
Although I agree, here I disagree.
In general, the Executive branch, the Intelligence Community, Congress, the Courts, the Populace are all responsible for keeping the President's Office accountable, both officially and extra-officially. Officially, via legal and direct means. Extra-officially, by means of protest, mounting cultural as well as mediatic pressure, etc.
In our, as Trump's actions have greatly affected the international community as well, situation what's most concerning is the initial, slow but eventually complete and absolute breakdown of public discourse.
Truth is irrelevant, poise is impractical, facts are an obstacle, outrage and drama are the new assertive communication. It's all about Me and My Emotions, us versus them.
This has been the case increasingly, for years, on both sides of the political aisle. Everyone compartmentalizes everyone into the sub-groups they are a part of, until everyone is so compartmentalized that they are completely alone because there are no similarities left for any common ground whatsoever. Such is the dystopic portrait of a society in complete disarray.
Under those circumstances, everything is legal, simply because there's noone to enforce the commonly agreed upon Rule of Law.
qingcharles|1 year ago
hingusdingus|1 year ago
When it comes to the doe there are likely departments that could be trimmed back and interpretations of some laws to the cfr made a little more clear, but since the doe is in charge of everything nuclear it might be good to do a more indepth look at each department instead of a quick and careless wipe.
Currently nuclear power is regulated in a way of "bring me a rock and I'll tell you if it's the right rock, but if it isn't the right rock it will be painful.
actionfromafar|1 year ago
ZeroGravitas|1 year ago
https://theonion.com/fbi-uncovers-al-qaeda-plot-to-just-sit-...
From 2014, continuing The Onion's streak of clear eyed reporting
> After Obama Victory, Shrieking White-Hot Sphere Of Pure Rage Early GOP Front-Runner For 2016
> Sources say the screaming orb might be the only potential candidate that would tap into Republicans’ deep-seated, seething fury after this election.
prawn|1 year ago
tjpnz|1 year ago
scotty79|1 year ago
Basically since US was orphaned on the world stage by USSR it gradually falls apart.
dqv|1 year ago
cess11|1 year ago
ta2234234242|1 year ago
ChrisArchitect|1 year ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43055119
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43063512
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43061481
itsdrewmiller|1 year ago
2muchcoffeeman|1 year ago
Will this term be the end of the craziness or is this the end of the US as a super power?
Manheim|1 year ago
This does not mean the US will be written off entirely, at least not in the foreseeable future. However, the era in which the US could dictate the global agenda, particularly in Europe, appears to be coming to an end. A recent example is the US Vice President’s speech in Germany, followed by meetings with the AfD rather than the German Chancellor - an unmistakable signal that Washington no longer prioritizes its European allies in the same way.
A similar shift may be seen in the area of technology. Reliance on American tech companies and investments is likely to decrease, with governments and businesses seeking alternatives. Even China could play a role in this transition, despite the security risks it presents. Economic growth depends on global trade, and many nations may be unwilling to let US protectionism dictate their technological and economic choices.
It is an unexpected turn, but in hindsight, one we could have seen coming. The transformation of the US Republican Party, coupled with growing public support for politicians who embrace extreme rhetoric, reject objective facts, and show little respect for science or democratic principles, has reshaped the country’s global standing. Many of these figures claim to uphold democracy but, from an outside perspective, promote an increasingly authoritarian vision through their policies and rhetoric.
Ultimately, it is up to the American people to choose their government and shape their society. However, the US has become increasingly unstable and polarized, straying from both common sense and the ideals of a liberal democracy. As this internal turmoil continues, it is no surprise that its traditional allies are beginning to seek a future less dependent on American leadership.
lm28469|1 year ago
https://www.reuters.com/world/china-tells-eu-it-is-willing-e...
lawn|1 year ago
Who wants to buy weapons from the US when you won't get permission to use them to defend themselves?
Who wants to make deals with the US when they will just get torn up and the US will even threaten their allies with economic sanctions and even invasion?
Who in their right mind will lean on the US to protect them, when they're showing how incompetent and unreliable they are?
The answer is obvious.
scarface_74|1 year ago
https://www.politico.eu/article/us-recedes-nato-scrambles-fi...
Latin American countries are increasing ties to China
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/12/trump-china-...
Canada is moving toward diversifying its global trade
https://www.investmentexecutive.com/news/industry-news/u-s-t...
> Will this term be the end of the craziness or is this the end of the US as a super power?
No Democrat could ever say we need to spend more money on foreign aid, rebuild the CFPB, or do anything that is seen to be spending taxpayer money to help poor people either domestic or abroad.
The Republican Party seems like it will be populist at least for a generation. No traditional Republican could ever win a primary today. Reagan himself would be called a RINO today.
littlestymaar|1 year ago
orwin|1 year ago
barrkel|1 year ago
There are many in the US who have a particular strand of thinking. It goes a bit like this:
The US is meddling too much in other country's affairs.
Only a handful of countries actually have agency - US, Russia, China mostly.
All the wars out there are actually proxy wars, because the US is up to no good and interfering with one of the other countries with agency.
It follows that all that is required for global peace is to withdraw US support for foreign adventuring.
America looks after America, Russia looks after (extended) Russia. The more isolationist a country is, the better it is. Hungary is a better friend than the UK because it opposes American adventuring, just like us.
There are other elements of the logic. America interferes abroad for cynical reasons. In Afghanistan, it was the poppies. In Iraq, it was the oil.
They scratched their head a little over Ukraine, but then decided it was for rare earth minerals.
I don't know if it's the end of the US as superpower, but what Musk is doing is destroying US state capacity from within, and what Trump's representatives are doing are destroying US influence abroad. If the goal is ending the US as a superpower, the actions are certainly shaped in a way that look like they're trying to end it.
unknown|1 year ago
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Yoric|1 year ago
On the one side, we (now) have Trump both threatening Europe with the potential of an invasion of Groenland, and explicitly telling Russia that it won't intervene if Putin bombs Europe, so if I were a European leader, I'd be looking for allies.
On the other side, we have China and Europe being the two powers who actually pay a little bit more than lip service to long-term thinking, in particular the future of the planet, while Trump is explicitly saying f*ck to the environment.
Yes, there are countless divergences between China and Europe, in addition to competiton. But we've seen stranger bedfellows.
cbg0|1 year ago
Plans were already being drafted before Trump won the election, given his strong polling, but bureaucracy makes things move a little slow. I think it has united EU countries who understand that this over-reliance on the US can be problematic given how quickly policies can shift, and will lead to a stronger EU.
The NATO framework is there and all countries part of it can keep following it to work together even without the US, and regardless of the memes, EU countries have a very advanced arsenal and lots of trained military personnel - with Russia struggling against one country, it's hard to believe they can ever make a move against 27 EU states, especially due to historical bad blood between many of them and Russia, which only serve to amplify the desire to stand up against them.
> Will this term be the end of the craziness or is this the end of the US as a super power?
I think it's a correction we've been due for a while, especially with the rise in extremist parties in recent years all across the world. Whether things will reseat themselves smoothly or whether we'll be in for a rough ride, it's hard to say.
If the current trend keeps going in the next few years with the US becoming more isolationist, I think it will be almost impossible for them to comeback to being a superpower even with a future president that wants to do a 180, as it takes more than nukes to be a superpower.
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FergusArgyll|1 year ago
This take will age well and doesn't come from a place of rage. at all.
unknown|1 year ago
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apples_oranges|1 year ago
ImHereToVote|1 year ago
CafeRacer|1 year ago
"Man fire, big boom, Trump look bad"
Here is another version but Haiku
Man Fire Big Boom Trump look dumb
lakomen|1 year ago
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