[wallaBBB]

One thing I (intuitively) don't doubt - that they spent less money for developing R1 than OpenAI spent on marketing, lobbying and management compensation.

[pertymcpert]

What makes you say that? Do you think Chinese top tier talent is cheap?

[wallaBBB]

I did not refer to the talent directly contributing to the technical progress.

P.S. - clarification: I mean not referring to talent at OpenAI. And yes I have very little doubt talent at DeepSeek is a lot cheaper than the things I listed above for OpenAI. I would be interested in a breakdown of the cost of OpenAI and seeing if even their technical talent costs more than the things I mentioned.

[anonzzzies]

What is cheap? But compared to the US, yes. Almost everywhere talent is 'cheap' compared to the US unless they move to the US.

[victorbjorklund]

I'm sure the salaries at Deepseek in China were lower than the salaries at OpenAI.

[amunozo]

Definitely cheaper than American top tier talent