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1st1 | 1 year ago
Supabase is great and works well if you want vanilla (more or less) Postgres with some integrations ready to go.
With Gel you get a Postgres with a data layer on top. If you want to have a data model with abstract types & mixins that's easy to work with and scale in complexity, advanced access control, built-in migrations schema engine, hierarchical graph query language on top of SQL, more robust client libraries -- that's Gel.
Gel is opinionated and vertically integrated and that's it's core strength. All of its components were developed in tandem -- from the network protocol to client APIs, from the EdgeQL query language to the data model to the migrations engine and so forth. It provides more cohesive experience and can give you non-trivial performance and DX gains if you commit to it.
> but hypothetically if I was an enterprise prospect how would you pitch your solution.
Total TypeSafety enforced at all levels, built-in migrations engine, best in class access control (we'll be blogging about our access control vs RLS soon.)
> Do you support functions, that I could call from the client for more advanced logic that can't be done with queries ?
With Gel 6 we'll be announcing the new `net` module tomorrow (spoiler!). You'll be able to schedule HTTP calls from triggers/queries/functions.
> Why not brand as GelDB. Would probably be easier to Google. Plus it tells me instantly what your selling.
Well, rebranding from Gel to GelDB would be just a text change to the homepage, so hypothetically the door is open for that. But I hope we can make Gel work, just the same way it works for Render/Neon/Fly.
> PS: Can you offer something like a hobbyist tier for 10$ a month.
Stay tuned, we'll announce some news on that in a couple of days! :)
999900000999|1 year ago
I don't know about migrating my current project, but I'll definitely try Gel for a future project.
>Total TypeSafety enforced at all levels, built-in migrations engine, best in class access control (we'll be blogging about our access control vs RLS soon.)
Very very cool.
If I just dump my Supabase project's Postgres DB can I load the SQL into Gel and have everything work. Or would I need to setup the schema.
Ultimately I'm just looking for an open source alternative to firebase-> while amazing, I can't exactly claim to have an open source project that requires a closed source service.
Last question, Supabase heavily pushes the use of Captchas if you use any anonymous authentication. Does Gel also suggest this. Notably Firebase doesn't care, which makes it much easier on end users.
Imagine having to solve a captcha to browse Amazon and add products to your cart, you'd probably just use something else.
Ok, just one more question! How is your SDK support. JavaScript is a given, but Godot support would be nice.
1st1|1 year ago
Currently you have to define your schema in Gel [1] and then write scripts to port your Postgres data into Gel. It's cumbersome, we know, we'll be working on improving the migration flow.
> Last question, Supabase heavily pushes the use of Captchas if you use any anonymous authentication. Does Gel also suggest this. Notably Firebase doesn't care, which makes it much easier on end users.
We don't have captchas implemented, but when we do, it will be an opt-in configuration option.
> Ok, just one more question! How is your SDK support. JavaScript is a given, but Godot support would be nice.
Golang? We have a great Go client [2].
[1] https://docs.geldata.com/reference/datamodel
[2] https://github.com/geldata/gel-go