[Varriount]

That assumes that any amount of capitulation would have persuaded Trump to support Ukraine, and that any reasonable deal could have been reached. I obviously can't say what could have been, but every sign Trump (and those in his administration!) has given up to this point indicate that there's only one outcome they support, and that's Ukraine surrendering all or some of its land to Russia, along with a deal barring Ukraine from NATO.

[Nathanba]

it's not even about support, Trump wanted to extort Ukraine out of their resources without giving anything back. He failed to do so.

[TrapLord_Rhodo]

I'm very curious to see how this comment ends up ageing. saved for follow up ;)

My prediction is ukraines got three options;

-Show europe that the US is an unreliable trading partner, and get them to commit atleast $500B, with SF troops coming to ukraine to train their troops. - Make a deal with trump. - lose their country.

[kragen]

Yes, and that's also the only outcome Russia would accept, unless Putin is replaced by a US puppet, which seems unlikely; such a puppet would be deeply unpopular in Russia and have great difficulty remaining in power.

The people in Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk would also reject any deal that doesn't involve Ukraine surrendering some of its land, either to Russia or to some sort of Republic of Texas limbo-state. So, even if Russia were taken over by a CIA asset, fighting there would continue unless extremely repressive measures were taken.

So that sort of deal is the only way to end the fighting with anything resembling humanity, even though Trump supports it. Stopped clocks, etc.