[iamEAP]

Think a lot of people here are missing the forest for the trees. We are witnessing the collapse of the unipolar world order that has brought relative freedom and prosperity to most of the world for the last three and a half decades.

I don’t know what comes next. No one does. But Europe needs a deep-rethink of a lot more than just defense if it wants to have any say in what the next world order is going to look like. Otherwise, we’re looking at four decades of less peace and less prosperity.

[LastTrain]

On the contrary, I think pretty much everyone is aware of it but doesn’t want to think about it.

[iamEAP]

Here in Sweden, following news of “peace talks” where both Ukraine and Europe were sidelined, the prime minister referenced a “new Yalta” as a troubling scenario, especially for small nations like ours.

Whether intentionally or not, the USA is relinquishing its role as global hegemon, and at least the baltics and nordics are contemplating the ramifications.

[maratc]

I agree, however the unipolar world ceased to exist a while ago. My take on what we are witnessing is that the US finally acknowledges that what has worked in the unipolar world won’t work in the one we have.

[IAmGraydon]

What does this even mean? The world was working just fine before a nutjob with an axe to grind with the west decided to invade its democratic neighbor.

[kakadu]

> that has brought relative freedom and prosperity to most of the world for the last three and a half decades.

What an incredible take.

I cannot possibly think of a US intervention that went well for the receiving end.

[rKarpinski]

> I cannot possibly think of a US intervention that went well for the receiving end.

Germany, Japan and the post WW2 order in question are probably the best candidates.

[ponector]

USA did not intervent into 2014 Crimea annexation and here we are.

And don't forget Ukraine gave up nukes for security assurances from USA, UK and rusia.

As we can see now, it was a mistake. Declaration means little

[42772827]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system

[throwaway290]

Off the top of my head apartheid in South Africa, ethnic cleansing of Albanians and genocide in Serbia, WWII... maybe indirectly, end of oppressive horrible USSR where I was born

[IAmGraydon]

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[DeepSeaTortoise]

With Russia and China reaching out to each other after many decades of nearly no contact and Trump reaching out to Russia after about a decade, it might as well be a sign of the very opposite.

This might genuinely be the birth of a true unipolar world order.

No idea if that's good or bad...

[hkpack]

That is what current US administration hope, but it is a bluff from the russia at least.

They view US as weak now, and will not stop until it is collapses on itself.

[nathansherburn]

With who in control? A Russia, China and US alliance? This seems very unlikely to me. All signs indicate we're moving to a multipolar world as far as I can tell.

China owns an increasing majority of global GDP and Trump seems to be either taking a path of peace, populism and or stupidity by pulling America out of its global alliances.

[mycall]

> last three and a half decades.

That is laughably tiny in the grand scheme of things.

[LastTrain]

What is your point, exactly? It is a huge chunk of time in human scale.