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Firefly Blue Ghost Mission 1 Lunar Landing

202 points| rolph | 1 year ago |plus.nasa.gov

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[+] lopsidedgrin|1 year ago|reply
Link to the livestream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChEuA1AUJAY

I'd like to understand if there is a way to contribute to space missions like these, or space research in general, as a "civilian" software developer. Is there perhaps a community of space enthusiasts working on domain-specific open source tools? What are some unsolved problems in this field?

[+] _mitterpach|1 year ago|reply
Great question, and I suggest you take a look at SatNOGS! It's a community driven satellite ground station project, where you can offer your own antenna and make use of the antennas of others. At my work we host 4 groundstations and regularly make use of those offered. A large open-source project like this can always use more contributors.

https://gitlab.com/librespacefoundation/satnogs

There's over 600 open issues with everything from hardware to website UX, so depending on your field there may be a lot you can contribute.

[+] seijuri_hiko|1 year ago|reply
Hello! I work at a space start up called Loft Orbital, we've open sourced all our core astrodynamics and satellite simulation tooling. Here's a link to the GitHub repo, https://github.com/open-space-collective.

It's used by a few start ups and I'm hoping to spread the word a bit more once I get some time to clean some things up. Astrodynamics sorely lacks a great open source ecosystem. Poliastro was great but is now unmaintained.

There's Orekit (which is fantastic) but it's in Java which makes it difficult to scale across languages or stacks.

Nyx Space is excellent, and it's focused on deep space applications.

Contributing to any of these tools would be a great way to improve the open source community in astrodynamics!

[+] simne|1 year ago|reply
I was involved in this industry about decade, when relations with Russia was warmed after end of cold war, so could share some experience.

In any case, you must understand, even on warmest times, space technologies considered as semi-weapons, so if you cannot achieve military clearance, you will have access only to some niches.

If niches are not scary for you, excellent, there are plenty opportunities.

First, in many countries exist large niche of high altitude air research, for which constantly need small cheap rockets and balloons, and all of these need reliable organizations, who will do regular starts and than find all things returned from near space.

So, what I mean - great deal of space work is just find and gather all parts fallen from missions.

Sure, all that things mean, better to make reliable control system, and reliable return system, than to literally looking for needle at haystack sized about hundred kilometers. But unfortunately, even best real rockets have failure rate ~0.4..0.7% (amateurs usually considered good to achieve 10..20% fr), so for every 100 starts, could have 1 failure for professional approach, or 10..20 for amateur, and will work on field.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Sky

Problems near infinite, because even amateur rockets are not cheap, and in many cases civilian equipment are not working (yes, civilian GPS are just turning off or hanging if achieve military bounds for altitude or speed, so need to make your own navigation) and all additional weight subtract from profit, and any failure also could be fatal for economy, so there constantly appear new brave people and on other side, appear disappointed, who leave to more calm industries.

[+] notahacker|1 year ago|reply
Lowest bar to OS participation would probably be mission planning tooling. NASA's GMAT is Apache licensed and widely used https://sourceforge.net/projects/gmat/files/GMAT/GMAT-R2016a...

But as others pointed out, there are a lot of civil space companies needing embedded systems programmers to work on space subsystems and (generally student lead) open source CubeSat tech. You'd likely need an actual job to work on solving novel hardware-specific problems like autonomous navigation, docking, landing, robotics, advanced Space Domain Awareness etc

[+] colonial|1 year ago|reply
> as a "civilian" software developer.

Well, there's plenty of civilian space companies these days! It's largely embedded-oriented (code that controls launch vehicles and satellites) from what I've seen, but the opportunities are there.

[+] subsubzero|1 year ago|reply
I contributed to one company(intuitive machines) by buying their stock a few weeks back, they are public - ticker is LUNR. They have a moon mission going on as this is written and plan to touch down on the moon 3/6/25 and drill for water(look for IM-2 mission). Last year they were the first private company to send a lander to moon and made headlines due to the missions success. So for me its profitable and I get to contribute to interesting science.
[+] walrus01|1 year ago|reply
There's always some small nonprofit, research, university, ham radio and similar themed 'cubesat' projects that need embedded software engineering. I'd suggest to start familiarizing yourself with common cubesat platforms, then see what the embedded hardware looks like and what you think you could do with it.
[+] _mitterpach|1 year ago|reply
Related: https://nyxspace.com/blog/2025/02/21/nyx-space-and-rust-powe...

Hope this one goes differently to my landings in Kerbal Space Program.

From the wiki I read that this is a part of the Artemis program, but the connection seems unclear to me. Could anybody explain, will this be used to deliver just cargo or will it have people aboard sometime in the future?

[+] walrus01|1 year ago|reply
After figuring out how to do most things successfully in Kerbal space program, a fun challenge is to install the "real solar system" mod which scales the delta v require for low orbit, and size of the solar system , up to approximately the same as reality. Delta v to orbit in stock KSP is like 2300-2500 if I remember right, in RSS it's 7800-8200. Everything else is also correspondingly more difficult like delta v require to get from a 35 degree inclined low earth orbit into a mars transfer orbit (even assuming 100% aero braking at mars and little or no fuel used at arrival)
[+] elkshadow5|1 year ago|reply
Main goal is to deliver some NASA science gear to the Moon, I think some of it is supposed to test things directly related to issues Artemis may have as far as lunar operations go. There’s a limited amount of info available about the science on their website- https://fireflyspace.com/missions/blue-ghost-mission-1/
[+] spookie|1 year ago|reply
Iirc it had to do with the deployment of some navegation relay, may be wrong, but the new intuitive machines lander will also deploy one.

(Edit: riffraff on th thread has the correct lede!)

[+] qingcharles|1 year ago|reply
Me in Space Shuttle Simulator during liftoff: "I wonder what this red switch does?"

Space Shuttle: bang

[+] dagelf|1 year ago|reply
Same budget line item?
[+] riffraff|1 year ago|reply
An interesting part of the payload is LuGRE, an experiment designed to test reception of GNSS (GPS, Galileo) signals on the moon, which would be double the maximum distance tested until now.

I never imagined that geolocation systems could work outside of the earth.

[+] walrus01|1 year ago|reply
The approximately 1600MHz signals emitted from a gps satellite are generally aimed directly down at the earth at any given time, but with a good enough receiver and directional gain antenna on the moon you certainly could pick them up.

I also have a theory this might work because at any given point in time, some of the gps satellites while moving at their orbital altitudes might be emitting signals aimed somewhat more directly towards the moon, at least for short periods of time.

[+] yonatan8070|1 year ago|reply
If it works, we should probably rename it to UNSS
[+] dweekly|1 year ago|reply
The pedant in me is curious if we would have to call it something different than geolocation. :)
[+] qingcharles|1 year ago|reply
First photo arrived:

https://x.com/Firefly_Space/status/1896125390386606333

Apologies for the X link. Can someone convert?

[+] jeanlucas|1 year ago|reply
Salute to the original founder that was forced to give up his partnership
[+] freitasm|1 year ago|reply
Congrats to the team. Disappointed there was no stream of actual touchdown or maneuvers.
[+] freediver007|1 year ago|reply
We didn't have the bandwidth for live steaming on the radio. But we're currently down linking tons of footage and expect to publish the video of the landing and the hazard avoidance redirect soon. Stay tuned!