[bbu]

Looks promising but it starts with a (justified) rant about terraform and then goes into how to replace Helm.

I am confused. Can yoke be used to create and manage infrastructure or just k8s resources?

[thayne]

Indeed. This isn't really a replacement for terraform, unless you are only using terraform to manage k8s resources. Which probably isn't most people who are currently using Terraform.

[xena]

Author here. It's mainly for k8s resources; but if you install operators like external-dns or something like crossplane into your cluster, you can manage infra too.

[groestl]

> into your cluster

I guess the point is: what if you don't have a cluster.

[sureglymop]

What alternative to terraform would one use to set up the whole cluster before provisioning any resources?

I currently have a custom script that is a mix between terraform and ansible that sets up a proxmox cluster, then a k3s cluster and a few haproxys with keepalived on top. Granted, maybe not the most standard setup.

[e12e]

I've considered dropping terraform (openTofu) for our k8s resources since k8s is stateful anyway.

But that would complicate synchronization with resources outside of k8s, like tailscale, DNS, managed databases, cloud storage (S3 compatible) - and even mapping k8s ingress to load_balancer and external DNS.

So far I feel that everything in terraform is the most simple and reasonable solution - mostly because everything can be handled by a single tool and language.

[bbu]

ok, that makes sense. A better Helm would be nice. timoni.sh is getting better and better, but Cue is a big hurdle.

Unfortunately, I'm not a big fan of the yaml-hell that crossplane is either.

But as a Terraform replacement systeminit.com is still the strongest looking contender.

[danw1979]

It’s just a dunk on terraform to promote yet another K8s provisioning thing.