[beretguy]

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[lern_too_spel]

Ukraine's parliament overwhelmingly supported the EU-UA agreement. It had the support of the populace. Yanukovych was going to be replaced at the next election because of it, and his violent suppression of the protests only sped that up. There was no need for western involvement to make that happen, and your belief that there was is an evidence-free conspiracy theory. https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/us-launched-euromaidan-to-weak...

[beretguy]

Absolutely not cause I grew up in Ukraine and I know how EU and NATO used to not give a damn about Ukraine. You are barking up the wrong tree.

[kelipso]

> If you believe that there is no NATO propaganda network that controls all of the western media, you are a victim of it.

Yep, the best propaganda is one you don't even think of as propaganda. It's just the truth.

[rayiner]

Like most Asians and most Muslims, I have been opposed to the “rules based international order” my entire adult life. American proxy wars have caused tremendous damage around the world. And I’m incredibly proud we finally have an American President who realizes they don’t serve American interests either.

This is not a new sentiment and it caused by Russian social media propaganda: https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4473508,00.html. I cite Chomsky less these days than I used to, but I recall back when I was a Gore-supporting Democrat and we were mocking “Team America: World Police” he was seen as pretty respectable. Is he Russian propaganda?

[lern_too_spel]

American proxy wars propping up illegitimate governments that rule without the consent of the governed have caused problems. The US is supporting a legitimate government against an invading dictatorship. The broad brush you paint with would have had the US not support the allies with weapons in WW2 all the way through 1941.

[pcthrowaway]

> And I’m incredibly proud we finally have an American President who realizes they don’t serve American interests either

Seriously? The current president is even more on-board than the previous ones with using Israel as a U.S. proxy. Just because he's also in bed with Putin doesn't mean he opposes American imperialism.