Create a whitelist. The follow model remains, which eliminates spam. You only see updates from people you follow, and only mutual followers can correspond using direct messages
If it wasn't 4am I'd spend time explaining why this is the most poorly considered article I've read all day. Instead I offer a quote:
> The reason that e-mail is uniquely useful is that you can exchange mail with people you don't already know. The reason that spam exists is that you can exchange mail with people you don't already know.
How do people willing to make statements like "the future of email is X" not understand that the decentralized standards based federated network is the end goal for an electronic mail system?
If you think the use case of twitter type messages isn't going to eventually be similar then you either think twitter style communication is a fad or you think the tech community is going to stagnate and never move on from how to send short messages to each other.
Maybe that eventual standard will expand to replace email, but twitter? That's so silly it's in Poe's Law territory.
1) The reason for having @ in email addresses is to prevent collisions and identify stuff like who you work for. Between [email protected] and [email protected] you know which one is the real Bill. Once you give everyone on the planet who uses email a twitter account the name collisions will be horrendous.
2) You're giving twitter a monopoly on the most ubiquitous communication method on the internet. What happens if they delete your account and ban you? What happens if they put something too evil for you in their TOS? You just cut yourself off from communication?
approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't
work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea,
and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state
before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
(X) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
(X) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
(X) Users of email will not put up with it
(X) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
(X) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(X) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate
potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
(X) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
( ) Open relays in foreign countries
( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
( ) Asshats
(X) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
(X) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
(X) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
(X) Extreme profitability of spam
(X) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
(X) Outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(X) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
(X) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
(X) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
(X) Sending email should be free
(X) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
(X) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
(X) I don't want the government reading my email
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
(X) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!
If the problem is that you have to change email addresses when you switch providers, I think the easiest solution is to use your own domain. Then you can use whatever mail client you prefer, and switch between them freely; you really own your email.
As far as using Twitter in place of email goes, there's the issue of both parties needing a Twitter account to communicate. If you opened it up so that I could send you a message on Twitter without having one myself, you'd probably end up with something like [email protected][1].
Remove 140 character limit: That is the essence of twitter. The limit helps me consume a lot more tweets than I can consume long winding emails or articles.
Whitelist: So make it difficult for someone to send you an email unless they are pre-approved? That looks like solving the spam problem with too big a hammer. I think the spam problem is mostly solved btw. I don't get it on either my Hotmail, yahoo or gmail addresses and an occasional spa can easily be marked and future emails get filtered
Hashtags: Google tried to do this in gmail as labels and I think failed. The automatic classification that Hotmail started (to identify important email, email from contacts, etc.) and probably is there in gmail too is the direction. Why make me do the wok when a machine can do it for me?
Even if you ignore the multitude of problems raised by funneling all email through one company this suggestion is dead on arrival. Can you imagine mailing lists via a twitter like platform, e.g. debian-devel or lkml? I do not think debian or kernel development would be what it is today if twitter was the communication medium of choice. Vulnerabilty submissions to @microsoft-security?
I am surprised that this idea made it to the front page of HN.
Twitter:
* single point of failure
* one namespace for all users (remember how much AOL sucked? xXAllNamesAreTaken1998Xx)
* the service is defined by its terse 140 character limits and the core use case would degrade if this was lifted.
I don't know about others, but I am definitely using emails less these days, but it has nothing to do with Twitter.
Perhaps because my job is relatively mobile, I am replacing a lot of emails with WhatsApp and Line. I have even started to use voice messaging, because it allows me to convey the tone of my message without having to go into an actual "discussion" with someone.
Although after reading other's comments, I am not brave enough to say that this is the future of email...
I also don't really understand the benefit here. Who actually tries to remember people's email addresses? For that matter, who even tries to remember twitter handles?
1. This solution eliminates the decentralized nature of email.
2. No solution for corporate customers who would want to keep their emails private.
3. How would new contacts form?
[+] [-] forgotusername|13 years ago|reply
If it wasn't 4am I'd spend time explaining why this is the most poorly considered article I've read all day. Instead I offer a quote:
> The reason that e-mail is uniquely useful is that you can exchange mail with people you don't already know. The reason that spam exists is that you can exchange mail with people you don't already know.
-- John Levine ( http://www.circleid.com/posts/replacing_smtp/ )
[+] [-] freshhawk|13 years ago|reply
If you think the use case of twitter type messages isn't going to eventually be similar then you either think twitter style communication is a fad or you think the tech community is going to stagnate and never move on from how to send short messages to each other.
Maybe that eventual standard will expand to replace email, but twitter? That's so silly it's in Poe's Law territory.
[+] [-] jiggy2011|13 years ago|reply
1) The reason for having @ in email addresses is to prevent collisions and identify stuff like who you work for. Between [email protected] and [email protected] you know which one is the real Bill. Once you give everyone on the planet who uses email a twitter account the name collisions will be horrendous.
2) You're giving twitter a monopoly on the most ubiquitous communication method on the internet. What happens if they delete your account and ban you? What happens if they put something too evil for you in their TOS? You just cut yourself off from communication?
3) .. I could go on
[+] [-] damncabbage|13 years ago|reply
The sort-of-federated email network we have now is a lot more resilient than a Twitter will likely ever be.
[+] [-] geofft|13 years ago|reply
Your post advocates a
(X) technical ( ) legislative (X) market-based ( ) vigilante
approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
(X) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
(X) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
(X) Users of email will not put up with it
(X) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
(X) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(X) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
(X) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
( ) Open relays in foreign countries
( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
( ) Asshats
(X) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
(X) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
(X) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
(X) Extreme profitability of spam
(X) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
(X) Outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(X) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
(X) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
(X) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
(X) Sending email should be free
(X) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
(X) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
(X) I don't want the government reading my email
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
(X) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!
[+] [-] rpicard|13 years ago|reply
As far as using Twitter in place of email goes, there's the issue of both parties needing a Twitter account to communicate. If you opened it up so that I could send you a message on Twitter without having one myself, you'd probably end up with something like [email protected][1].
[1] Relevant xkcd comic: https://xkcd.com/927/
[+] [-] ioquatix|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] Mythbusters|13 years ago|reply
Remove 140 character limit: That is the essence of twitter. The limit helps me consume a lot more tweets than I can consume long winding emails or articles.
Whitelist: So make it difficult for someone to send you an email unless they are pre-approved? That looks like solving the spam problem with too big a hammer. I think the spam problem is mostly solved btw. I don't get it on either my Hotmail, yahoo or gmail addresses and an occasional spa can easily be marked and future emails get filtered
Hashtags: Google tried to do this in gmail as labels and I think failed. The automatic classification that Hotmail started (to identify important email, email from contacts, etc.) and probably is there in gmail too is the direction. Why make me do the wok when a machine can do it for me?
[+] [-] jharrier|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] ditojim|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] dfc|13 years ago|reply
I am surprised that this idea made it to the front page of HN.
[+] [-] madrona|13 years ago|reply
Silly article.
[+] [-] jcnotchrist|13 years ago|reply
Perhaps because my job is relatively mobile, I am replacing a lot of emails with WhatsApp and Line. I have even started to use voice messaging, because it allows me to convey the tone of my message without having to go into an actual "discussion" with someone.
Although after reading other's comments, I am not brave enough to say that this is the future of email...
[+] [-] codeka|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] cdcarter|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] five18pm|13 years ago|reply
1. This solution eliminates the decentralized nature of email. 2. No solution for corporate customers who would want to keep their emails private. 3. How would new contacts form?
[+] [-] jharrier|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] thinkingisfun|13 years ago|reply
[+] [-] jharrier|13 years ago|reply