> SBF blamed his erratic appearance in old interviews on being distracted by tech devices.
Really, the excuses this guy is throwing around remind me of little children.
> Carlson kept acting throughout the interview as though it’s just normal and reasonable for wealthy people who donate to politicians to expect corrupt favors from those same people in their time of need.
> > Carlson kept acting throughout the interview as though it’s just normal and reasonable for wealthy people who donate to politicians to expect corrupt favors from those same people in their time of need.
> That's just being realistic, isn't it?
For Carlson - a wealthy politically connected person who I would be unsurprised if he is the recipient of favor - I'm sure it's realistic.
But there are more of us who don't have the wealth or political connections to get favors than there are those who do.
So it's weird that people who claim to care about corruption keep voting for and snuggling up to extremely wealthy obviously-favor-trading conmen. The president doesn't even try to hide the games. So after that it's unsurprising that someone like Carlson is starting to drop the pretense too.
Will the people he gets his power from - his audience - care, though?
As evidenced by this situation it's not true that any criminal can give money to any politician and expect favours. Perhaps some criminals curry more favour, and perhaps some politicians are more transactional.
No. Not in a society that values the rule of law. I keep seeing amoral "do whatever you can get away with" sociopathy masquerading as "realism" in our discussions of politics. I wish it would stop.
You’re right. But in this case SBF engaged in an external interview, without permission, over a link normally reserved for access to attorneys.
When the interview came out, it’s safe to assume the prison had no idea how it happened. He was in solitary for 24 hours, possibly so they could ensure there were no smartphones or anything else.
It also may have been just to punish him. But there’s at least one reasonable reason, given that it was only 24 hours.
I broadly agree with this but it raises a bigger question -- how do you punish someone who is already in a process of punishment?
That's an especially important question when someone is going through a very long punishment process, like what does another life sentence mean to someone who has a life sentence? You can't execute someone twice, right?
If someone breaks a very important rule in prison there needs to be some way to put an immediate stop to that behaviour and to disincentivize them from doing it again and in a situation like this is seems like solitary confinement is the most effective way to do that.
If SBF was able to get a smuggled phone, as the article speculates, to do an unauthorized interview, then he is clearly using his connections to sidestep aspects of his incarceration. Putting him in solitary is an appropriate way to cut him off from engaging in further such corruption, and it should be repeated for any further violations. The only problem here is that it took this long for them to identify that he had the ability to do things like this.
Billionaires like him should serve the same time in the same manner as any other citizen.
What would you suggest to solve the problem solitary is aiming to solve? Chesterton's Fence was built for a reason. Solitary isn't torturous in the traditional sense of the word. It is consistent with the idea of prison--it's just a worse version of prison. It acts to disincentivize rule breaking within the system. What other ways can we attack this problem with high enough confidence that removing the proverbial "fence" will not result in a total disaster.
The story here is that a criminal that stole billions is staging a prison escape through an openly corrupt political administration and their subservient media apparatus.
As an inmate in a terrible county jail who chose solitary confinement for mental health reasons - and to avoid the 4 Tray Crips who effectively run general population in Tarrant County Corrections - I’m glad he’s going in. I have several stories of hearing entitled and “tough” men absolutely crumble when forced to sit out punishment in that environment. There’s a recent phrase that goes “fuck around and find out” which totally fits here.
Yes, solitary confinement is akin to forced mental distress in most incarceration systems. No, it’s not randomly doled out.
The fact remains if he wanted to do an interview with Tucker Carlson he could have accomplished it in writing using the mail. He chose not to do so. No sympathy here.
I live in Tarrant County. I’ve heard horrible things about the deaths in our county jail. Maybe slightly off topic, but anything you can share from your time there?
Sidenote: Voidzilla did a 6 minute video about this interview [1]. Tucker focused on injustice, but not the billions SBF stole from people, but the fact that the people who took SBF's political contributions didn't get him off. The implications seem to be that Tucker values transactional justice rather than unbiased justice. This is a sea-change in American (and indeed Western) jurisprudence that is (to me) some combination of shocking and expected at this point.
If Bankman-Fried does somehow get a pardon, I will be amazed that the bitter debate on HN about whether he would get off scott free or would be thrown in prison somehow resulted in both parties being correct.
> Every man has three hearts: one in his mouth, for the world to know; one in his chest, just for his friends; and a secret heart buried deep where no one can find it
The path to success is keeping your strategy secret until long after you've executed it.
Sadly this dude was afflicted with verbal diarrhoea, he just couldn't stop talking and writing. How much more effective the same strategy would be if he had just kept his mouth shut. He's made it needlessly difficult for himself.
Still, it's not a huge issue. All he has to do is cozy up to Trump and get his pardon. I can already hear it - "he was treated very horribly, very unfairly. Believe me, I know."
Prison is mostly just warehousing people for a prescribed amount of time. I've read that people start to develop PTSD after about 7 days of confinement. Sometimes incarceration is all you can do with violent people and fraudsters. I'm sure most inmates are deteriorated by their 'correction'.
My friend would rather be in jail than in a psych ward, so that's one positive take on incarceration. [I have videos proving she was misdiagnosed. Arizona's psych wards implement an obsolete approach to 'mental health', using palliative drugs. In 2022 Chris Palmer published his book about the 80 years of science establishing that mental disorders are caused by metabolic problems, but the standard of care is still palliative treatment.]
> SBF said in the Thursday episode of Carlson’s show that he doesn’t believe Democrats “saved” him while being prosecuted during the Joe Biden years because they knew he was giving to Republicans as well.
He's upset that Democrats didn't let him commit crime just because he donated to them? Holy corruption, Bankman.
the phenomenon of going right wing after committing crimes so you can find a sympathetic ear feels rather troubling, especially because it seems to work no matter how blatant it is
I really wonder if the whole insolvency and locking up customer funds thing happened which led to the revelation of fraud etc. If that happened now, with Trump in office. Would he have just not been arrested, indicted, convicted, etc.?
I despise the snot but solitary confinement should only be used for the most egregious, violent offenders. Throwing someone in the "hole" for such a minor thing is inhuman. Solitary should be outlawed.
By stealing billions of dollars he destroyed more people than the worst repeated violent offenders. Also he's clearly paying politicians off. In my opinion he should be categorized in the worst category even just looking at the lost thousands of years because people won't be able to pay medical bills because of him.
Crypto czar David Sacks was in favor of the Silicon Valley Bank bailout but spoke against SBF in 2022, when SBF was believed to be a Democrat.
Otherwise there would be a good chance of making gambling with customer money legal (which is what the Silicon Valley Bank did) and SBF could co-chair the Sovereign Bitcoin Reserve together with DPR.
[+] [-] tempodox|1 year ago|reply
Really, the excuses this guy is throwing around remind me of little children.
> Carlson kept acting throughout the interview as though it’s just normal and reasonable for wealthy people who donate to politicians to expect corrupt favors from those same people in their time of need.
That's just being realistic, isn't it?
[+] [-] majormajor|1 year ago|reply
> That's just being realistic, isn't it?
For Carlson - a wealthy politically connected person who I would be unsurprised if he is the recipient of favor - I'm sure it's realistic.
But there are more of us who don't have the wealth or political connections to get favors than there are those who do.
So it's weird that people who claim to care about corruption keep voting for and snuggling up to extremely wealthy obviously-favor-trading conmen. The president doesn't even try to hide the games. So after that it's unsurprising that someone like Carlson is starting to drop the pretense too.
Will the people he gets his power from - his audience - care, though?
[+] [-] Recursing|1 year ago|reply
> Really, the excuses this guy is throwing around remind me of little children.
That's not what he says though, https://youtu.be/dN1CR2dyfo8?feature=shared&t=169 "My mind was racing because there were a billion things to keep track of [with the company]"
(Not defending SBF here, he deserves his sentence)
[+] [-] PavleMiha|1 year ago|reply
As evidenced by this situation it's not true that any criminal can give money to any politician and expect favours. Perhaps some criminals curry more favour, and perhaps some politicians are more transactional.
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[+] [-] spongebobstoes|1 year ago|reply
Prisons should need a strong medical/safety justification for putting prisoners into isolation, which is torturous for many people.
[+] [-] borski|1 year ago|reply
When the interview came out, it’s safe to assume the prison had no idea how it happened. He was in solitary for 24 hours, possibly so they could ensure there were no smartphones or anything else.
It also may have been just to punish him. But there’s at least one reasonable reason, given that it was only 24 hours.
[+] [-] Teever|1 year ago|reply
That's an especially important question when someone is going through a very long punishment process, like what does another life sentence mean to someone who has a life sentence? You can't execute someone twice, right?
If someone breaks a very important rule in prison there needs to be some way to put an immediate stop to that behaviour and to disincentivize them from doing it again and in a situation like this is seems like solitary confinement is the most effective way to do that.
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[+] [-] viccis|1 year ago|reply
Billionaires like him should serve the same time in the same manner as any other citizen.
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[+] [-] GaggiX|1 year ago|reply
That's why it's used as a punishment.
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[+] [-] 6stringmerc|1 year ago|reply
Yes, solitary confinement is akin to forced mental distress in most incarceration systems. No, it’s not randomly doled out.
The fact remains if he wanted to do an interview with Tucker Carlson he could have accomplished it in writing using the mail. He chose not to do so. No sympathy here.
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1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BLzWTRmq2k
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[+] [-] dralley|1 year ago|reply
"Go on Tucker Carlsen, come out as a republican
a) While public contributions show one thing, you see another thing including super pacs
b) Come out against the woke agenda
c) Talk about how the cartel of lawyers is destroying value and throwing entrepreneurs under the bus in order to cover up the incompetence of lawyers"
[+] [-] bigyabai|1 year ago|reply
Picking a fake fight with lawyers seems like the sort of thing you'd do if you were desperate to go back to jail...
[+] [-] nindalf|1 year ago|reply
> Every man has three hearts: one in his mouth, for the world to know; one in his chest, just for his friends; and a secret heart buried deep where no one can find it
The path to success is keeping your strategy secret until long after you've executed it.
Sadly this dude was afflicted with verbal diarrhoea, he just couldn't stop talking and writing. How much more effective the same strategy would be if he had just kept his mouth shut. He's made it needlessly difficult for himself.
Still, it's not a huge issue. All he has to do is cozy up to Trump and get his pardon. I can already hear it - "he was treated very horribly, very unfairly. Believe me, I know."
[+] [-] rawgabbit|1 year ago|reply
b) Say the right things so Trump has cover to grant you a pardon
c) Say the right things so Trump has cover to grant you a pardon
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Prolonged use of Solitary confinement is a humans right abuse: https://www.aclu.org/documents/abuse-human-rights-prisoners-...
Prison is mostly just warehousing people for a prescribed amount of time. I've read that people start to develop PTSD after about 7 days of confinement. Sometimes incarceration is all you can do with violent people and fraudsters. I'm sure most inmates are deteriorated by their 'correction'.
My friend would rather be in jail than in a psych ward, so that's one positive take on incarceration. [I have videos proving she was misdiagnosed. Arizona's psych wards implement an obsolete approach to 'mental health', using palliative drugs. In 2022 Chris Palmer published his book about the 80 years of science establishing that mental disorders are caused by metabolic problems, but the standard of care is still palliative treatment.]
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I didn’t realize it was so hard to control the freedoms of inmates. I actually thought that was the whole point.
[+] [-] Trasmatta|1 year ago|reply
He's upset that Democrats didn't let him commit crime just because he donated to them? Holy corruption, Bankman.
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SBF is beyond loathsome but he should still be treated humanely.
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Otherwise there would be a good chance of making gambling with customer money legal (which is what the Silicon Valley Bank did) and SBF could co-chair the Sovereign Bitcoin Reserve together with DPR.
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