[OriginalMrPink]

Who wants fluent conversations with AI to get help for realtime translations or location based information (e.g. when traveling)? Who wants to delegate tasks to AI so it can help work with everyday productivity tools like calendar, emails, etc.

I understand that some of the stuff is not there yet. But dismissing an emerging technology as useless baby stuff? Reminds me of what people were saying of web, web 2.0, etc. My productivity has taken giant leaps since two years, probably because I'm willing to regularly invest some time into understanding & exploring which workflows can be optimised. It might actually not be trivial, and even some AI companies are not able to showcase their tech in realistic problem solving scenarios. But it's there.

Apple is just really really bad at this atm. Their leadership has transformed the company into a mindset of mirco-optimisations, no more taking risks etc.

[hakfoo]

The entire industry is in a very cart-before-the-horse mode here because this is less "cool new tech being able to mature" and more "frantic economic bubble that happens to manifest through new tech"

New tech tends to start with garage scale startups and targeting the enthusiasts, the experimenters, the hobbyists, the ones willing to put the effort into playing with it, map what is and isn't possible, and file off the rough edges. And when you're making a product like that, you probably have to package and market it entirely differently-- a world of datasheets, programmer's references, and schematics, to give that audience the tools to get the most out of it.

If and when you're lucky, you get to the VisiCalc moment, when someone finds a way to deliver a mainstream value proposition so compelling that people line up waving their Mastercards. There's a 200% chance that value proposition will not be the one you put on the marketing flyer to sell the kit to early-adopters, and it may not even come from the firms who launched the market in the first place.

Apple, Microsoft, and OpenAI are all trying to short-circuit that process. You can't just throw a trillion dollars at a product and shove their early-stage products in front of customers and expect to magically win the future.

It's like trying to make desktop computing happen in 1977 by busting into every house in the country, bolting an Imsai 8080 to random appliances unsolicited, and telling them to enjoy their new computing-enabled future.

[JumpCrisscross]

> dismissing an emerging technology as useless baby stuff?

But that's not Apple. Apple is the company that watches everyone screw up and then comes out with something brilliantly simple that just works. Not only is Apple Intelligence a mess, a lot of it is vaporware [1].

Siri used to be useful enough that I could ask her to send short texts and place calls. But now, when I ask it to message someone I am regularly in touch with, it spouts out a message to someone with a similar-sounding name I haven't spoken to in years.

[1] https://daringfireball.net/2025/03/something_is_rotten_in_th...

[rchaud]

> But dismissing an emerging technology as useless baby stuff? Reminds me of what people were saying of web, web 2.0,

Nobody was saying that about the web. The web in 1994 had email and instant messaging out of the box, it replaced letter mail and consumer fax overnight.

We're several years into the GenAI wave, what has it changed for Apple users?

[bni]

Apple should show some guts and cancel Apple Intelligence.