[scantis]

Interesting take.

I may imagin Job being as class with core attributes, integrity and commitment, and the variable attributes like wife, wealth, family etc. You can have billions of different instances of Job and the variable attributes may change over time. If integrity and commitment are unphased by that, the instance of Job is reliable. It is Jobs choice to be reliable, no matter his attributes.

Mistreating dogs changes their core attributes and makes them less reliable. They might be rehabilitated, but this crucial part is not their choice.

This is how I would see the difference. What do you think?

[gunian]

i see the human and the dog as classes that inherit from the same base class with slightly different attributes such as computational power, healing, running speed etc

isnt your comment like saying abuse a dog if its reliable no matter the attributes it is a good dog? abusing people also changes their core attributes which is what trauma is and by this logic poofy guy in the sky is an abuser or a slaver

how do people reconcile that? the christians that raised me used to beat me into believeing wondering if HN has a more philosophical take

[scantis]

Yes absolut exactly. LUCA comes to mind as a base class. Obviously attributes and methods differ quite greatly, we are not just dogs. To reconcile all abuse in this life sounds great, to the humans class, to the dog class it is probably of little interest.

Yet specific therapy dogs can take a lot of abuse, without ever lashing out. They are great for troubled children.