[MVissers]

I mean, we all know who the driver is to launch 'cybertrucks' and 'robotaxis' instead of more affordable variations.

Also, not sure what the whole 800v hype is about. I rent EVs for roadtrips and Tesla's are basically the fastest charging ones with current architecture, haven't had a need for 800v since at the cell level the charging speed is already maxed out.

Re: the Y, even though they won't sell because some hand gestures and behaviors, they did almost every complaint people have about the old model Y.

[zelos]

Looking at EVDatabase, it seems like the 800v cars charge quite a lot faster? The EV6 manages 205kW average compared to 124kW for the long range Model Y. From my experience, the EV6 hits those charging speeds very reliably.

[dzhiurgis]

Now look at available chargers…

It’s clearly better, but far from key factor. Efficiency usually dictates overall trip duration.

[kgermino]

Everything I've seen is that Hyundai/Kia's charge noticeably (though not massively) faster than Tesla's. I've never DCFC a Tesla to compare but my Ioniq is usually under 20 mins in practice

[croes]

There are many people who complain about long charging times.

And there exist countries outside Tesla‘s supercharger network.