[heigh]

I'm not woke, and personally hate that term. But I have two young boys that are coming to the age where they might be exposed to the online cancer that is Andrew Tate and his ilk.

I have the ability to sponsor/build a project with the goal of improving young male minds so that they can get direction, respect women and hopefully realise their intrinsic morals and ethics.

I think you guys know that most of us have these, but youth are especially susceptible to twisting and ultimately ruining that.

I am keen on hearing some ideas to help combat this and building/sponsoring some ideas.

For me, my outlet is art, but that might not appeal to the broader audience. If anyone has a great idea, I would LOVE to hear it.

Honestly, thank you for giving me the platform to discuss this.

[techpineapple]

I think one thing that the "left" or those countering the red-pill man-o-sphere online is to separate truly toxic masculinity from maybe things that are just traditionally gendered or whatever. The response should be diverse, with people who say like art or whatever being able to talk to people who like say hunting, or martial arts, but like, I think what man-o-sphere spaces have done really well is essentially coded "fun" and "aspiration" as right leaning.

I also that maybe in some sense a default should be pointing people towards a more "conservative" vision. Get a job, get married, have kids is not the end of the world. I remember reading some articles (my own experience matches this) that despite having liberal/progressive views alot of liberals, maybe it was wealthy/successful liberals live their life fairly conservatively. And the reality is if you're lost, then the problem is not that there just aren't enough options for you to be "found", it's that you need to a more directive approach that narrows rather than grows the field of possibilities. Specifically this doesn't mean telling people who want something different are wrong, but if you don't know what you want? Try the normal path.

But yes, all of this should be uncompromisingly wrapped in respect for women/your fellow human etc.

[heigh]

I shouldn’t have even mentioned woke to be honest. I’m a liberal but there’s loads of things I’m conservative about. What I think can bring everyone together is to teach kids to respect one another. That’s what’s missing online: common decency and respect. Sure that’s something that’s likely never going to be solved, but I’d love some way to combat the spread/reach of misogyny especially among kids who have no idea what they’re wading into

[EGreg]

What's toxic is the system, for both men and women. A lot of the modern feminists and redpillers are anti-marriage, and advocate for men and women to never get married, for various reasons. Usually both gender warriors claim it's an oppressive institution. Meanwhile people have less children, and neglect their children, while corporations have them climbing the corporate ladder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNzXze5Yza8

I was there at Sheryl Sandberg's event when released her book "Lean In", about how women can do better climbing the corporate ladder. The culture now teaches kids to find life's meaning in something that will soon be automated by AI anyway. We'll have to figure out other ways of connecting again, spend time with our kids instead of sending them to government schools, take care of our parents instead of sticking them in nursing homes, etc.

The problems are upstream (social networks, microplastics, factory farms, sugar, etc.) causing record teenage sadness, diabetes, autoimmune diseases, etc. The current solutions in USA are mostly medication downstream: amphetamines for kids with ADHD, SSRI inhibitors for depression, ozempic for diabetes, vaccines for a coronavirus that mostly affected people with diabetes / obesity (a real persistent epidemic that is hardly addressed at its root cause).

This is what you should be worried about, in my opinion: https://magarshak.com/blog/?paged=2

And the reason that boys end up looking to redpillers, blackpillers, MRAs, and guys the Tates etc. is because the system failed them. Dating sucks for both sexes. It used to be you competed with people in your local village. Now you compete with the whole world, and no one wants to settle. And teenage girls have record levels of sadness too, and everyone will soon be competing with AIs.

[heigh]

I do think that’s a massive factor. I hate to generalise as is a massively complex issue but I do feel most young men online are angry that they aren’t getting more interactions with women. Technology hasn’t helped that at all. I’m wondering if there’s a way to try reverse that. Education is obviously key but it popular and accepted is super hard