[voidr]

I don't get the obsession with YAML and making things declarative that really should not be declarative.

I'm so much happier on projects where I can use the non-declarative Jenkins pipelines instead of GH Actions or BB pipelines.

These YAML pipelines are bad enough on their own, but throw in a department that is gatekeeping them and use runners as powerful as my Raspberry Pi and you have a situation where a lot of developers just give up and run things locally instead of the CI.

[hinkley]

I haven't tried to step through Scons, so that may be a system that looks like how I want it to look but fails entirely to deliver on its promises for all I know.

I think there's a place for making a builder that looks imperative, but can work out a tree of actions and run them. Gulp is a little bit this way, but again I haven't tried to breakpoint through it either.

If the next evolution in DevEx is not caring about what your code looks like in a stepping debugger, then the one after it will be. Making libraries that present a tight demo app for the Readme.md file and then are impossible to do anything tricky with or god forbid debug just needs to fucking stop. Yesterday. And declarative systems are almost always the worst.

[neuroelectron]

Yes I have to agree Jenkins is the best solution but it's not the hot new thing, AI powered etc. It just works and that's not how you grow your org.